"Lets be honest here... if you have xp or vista you simply should not have purchased X2 in the first place.. the system requirements for win7/8 is clearly marked."


How this statement can be interpreted as rude is beyond me. These are clear facts (you're lucky it worked at all, but I'm glad in all of your cases it did, if only temporarily). I hope Apple users won't be offended by saying this won't run on their systems either, and if they have bought it they shouldn't have.

CakeAlexS


Get over it, Microsoft are going to sell you an upgrade that is dirt cheap if you take them up quickly.

Hi Alex. I really don't post that often but i will say this: It is apparent to me that there are 4 types of people who post on these forums. 1) Those who want help. 2) Those who pretend they're complaing so they can troll. 3) Those who want to help. 4) Those who seek attention disguised as a "response". I won't question your motivation but I am not at odds with Cakewalk or you. There is nothing for me to "get over". I simply had a question about my operating system and I wasn't happy with the changes I see coming. If all you have to offer in response is more of what you've already said..well.. I heard you the first time. You got my and others attention with your remarks. Please, let's move on.

These were simply words of encouragement. Get over Vista. Maybe I was insulting to Vista, in which case I apologise for insulting an operating system. Maybe you don't like my writing style in which case I apologise as well.

But when we get into personal attacks - well that is something else. I certainly have not addressed anybody personally, and I notice somebody was attacked earlier for stating a simple fact.

But good idea - moving on. Getting over it!
(ps Vista still sucks).

bitflipper


According to Microsoft's own numbers, there are nearly 400 million XP and Vista machines in the world today and 500 million Windows 7 & 8 machines. If you look at business users specifically, the XP/Vista numbers actually exceed W7/8. There's good reason for that: if you rely on a workstation in your business, you stabilize it, standardize it and then leave it the flick alone. 

I can only imagine what will happen when every business application vendor announces that no updates are going to be available to those 400 million users. Fortunately, most vendors aren't bound by the Windows Logo program, which lets Microsoft dictate what they can and cannot do. 

I am not convinced that there is any technical reason for being unable to distribute an installer that's Vista/XP compatible, other than Microsoft is forcing vendors to abandon those operating systems in order to spur sales. Yes, I know that critical pieces of a SONAR installation are actually sourced from Microsoft and have to be distributed unmodified.

I was thinking along the same lines. I wasn't going to say anything about numbers but I am very glad you have. 

There are reasons people choose an OS to use with their computer.  I did not choose mine from an uninformed position. Yet I sometimes get the notion that some have. I see that in some of the posts relating to Windows 7.  I have no issues with windows 7 but I get the impression from the tenor of some posters that they don't know why they have it. In many cases its what came with their machine. Its not their decision but yet they seem to think we that didn't get it are somehow loosing out. 

I looked at it very hard and in depth and could not find a compelling reason to upgrade. I could have anyway but I decided not to. I also knew that a new OS would follow sooner rather than latter and that seemed a better opportunity to upgrade for me.

Not once did I ever say one should not go with Windows 7. Nor have I discounted what others have said about it. What I have been very consistent about is defending the quality that Vista offers the user. That it has been the most stable OS I have ever used. That it offers for me everything Win 7 offers to a fair degree that they are to me sister OSs.  

Its been said that XP and Vista are similar when there is nothing in Vista that has much to do with XP. Or that its a bad OS. Its those ideas that motivate me. Its campaign by Apple to smear it and the people that did get ripped off by unscrupulous hardware makers that sold the unaware machines that were not intended for Vista have been a very big reason why I will counter a post that is negative about Vista when it is unjustified. 

Now we all have a choice to make whether to move on to Windows 8 or not. Because I was waiting for 8 its not a difficult choice for me. So far I have been impressed with Win 8. I plan on getting it as soon as I can. It may take me some time to get it fully up to where Vista is on this machine but I am prepared for that. 

So let us do what is best for each of us without finding fault with our decisions. 

In with the new out with old. 

CakeAlexS


These were simply words of encouragement. Get over Vista. Maybe I was insulting to Vista, in which case I apologise for insulting an operating system. Maybe you don't like my writing style in which case I apologise as well.

But when we get into personal attacks - well that is something else. I certainly have not addressed anybody personally, and I notice somebody was attacked earlier for stating a simple fact.

But good idea - moving on. Getting over it!
(ps Vista still sucks).

Than it is fine for me to say get over Windows 7 right? The problem is it doesn't sound like words of encouragement but more an order. Than at the end you can't help from saying it sucks when I know better and so many others don't agree. Its as if you must agree with our OS choices in order for us to be in your eyes worthy. That is what seems rude. I use rude rather than what really comes to mind simply because I want to keep my posts on a level that is not insulting to others.

  You bought your computer from a off the self machine maker. I on the other hand built my own. I built it to run Vista and it does. Your opinion on the subject is not one that fills me with confidence when I wonder how much you really know about OSs and computers. Judging by your remarks it appears you can repeat what you have heard from others but know very little from you own research.  

In the end it comes down to what works and though you seen unable to believe us Vista works. It does not suck.

 

Ok back to a sensible conversation ;) - I shall avoid the personal attack speach. I'm not into personal attacks sorry.

We are all going to need to get used to this in future - Why?

Microsoft has learnt that Windows XP was so successful that few (business customers at least) really wanted to upgrade, especially to Vista (with all the bad press it had). People are still hanging on to XP even now because it was a great operating system.

Now Windows 7 (unlike Vista) has been every bit as successful as XP (maybe more so?) they are worried that people will cling onto it just like XP users. So what MS will be doing to counteract this then is:

1) They will release operating systems with a faster turn around time because they know most people with their existing OS's and hardware won't upgrade until maybe a second revision of a new OS (if at all). So quicker they can get two OS's out the better then as this means more $$$.

2) The main game then is to make upgrading easy for the previous operating system, slightly more difficult for the one before that, and pretty much impossible for all OS's previously. Make users feel they have to upgrade... just like Apple does.

3) They are desperate to go on an Apple store type model. They want you hooked. They want your fridge/TV/radio/kettle to have Windows 8 so they get the opportunity to display their shop window everywhere. (Everything everywhere!).

Lucky for Vista users this time around the hardware requirements for Win8 aren't huge. XP users might not be so lucky. Now when they release Windows 9 I suspect they will make it VERY HARD for Windows 7 users to upgrade. I wouldn't be surprised however that Windows 8 users will get Windows 9 upgrade for more or less free to keep them hooked on the cool aid (Microsoft Store), assuming that model works like Apple. That's the BIG reason why the upgrades are so cheap now anyway, they want you hooked..... and you will be. Get used to it.
 
p.s. Vista still sucks, one of Microsoft's worst releases ...  that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I'm not ordering anybody to do anything.

Here's my observation:

I built one DAW to run Win7 and bought a high end laptop (from ADK) that runs Win7.

My laptop builder recently said in these forums, "Stay away from Win 8, you don't need it." 

I don't know if he's changed his mind in recent weeks but there you have it.

It is too bad cakewalk is making this business decision, however they are a small software developer and most likely don't have the resources and money to make X2 work on different platforms. For example, where's Sonar X2 for the Mac? (Hint... it doesn't exist for a reason...). Yes one can use boot camp, however it's not the same. Roland doesn't have a lot of extra money either, the last three years have extremely difficult for them financially.

It's sad, but a tough decision for an American company during very tough times in America now.

@bapu - yeah I've got Win 7 and I'm probably going to stick for it for now. I see no compelling reason to upgrade, but I probably will just before MS puts up the price (that will mean a cheaper and easier Windows 9 upgrade later). If I had Vista however that would be a different matter, I would go straight to Windows 8. It's cheap enough, it might not be an easy ride at first but it will avoid a lot of pain later on when devices and apps become more Win8 friendly and move away from Win7. No brainer.
 
p.s. I forgot this time to say that Vista really sucks...

@Gowi To add to what you said, yes it costs a fortune to develop on different platforms. Developers need to learn new skills, and more platforms means more testing and longer turn around times. I'm sure that's another reason why Cake dropped Vista, it's just one less to worry about. If I was working for their QA dept I'd be very happy about that decision (less testing), and if I was a .NET developer (Sonar is written in .NET, probably C#) I'd be very happy to expand my skillset with the Windows 8 platform. Besides I'd be using the latest version of the Visual Studio development tool which I'm sure has in built hatred for Vista built in as standard ;).