If SONAR is written in C# then why do you have to install the C++ runtime library?

Well if it is I hope it's C++ .NET. As long as it's .NET it doesn't matter really, the Common Language Runtime doesn't really dictate what language you use. They could program a bit in COBOL.NET and a bit in Visual Basic .NET, if they wanted it would all compile the same. From the technical perspetive I assumed they moved over to the .NET platform when they redesigned Sonar onto X1. Hopefully I'm not mistaken.

But maybe they have legacy code in there as well, maybe some programming libraries they have require it. Hell I don't know, I blame Vista for everything :).

Maybe their job postings would offer some clues http://www.cakewalk.com/About/careers.aspx

Experience with Mac OSX/iOS ?

Interesting...

Yeah, probably for their Mac synth products

There you go, in fact I didn't think of this. On the job spec they asking for experience in Apple OS's. I am assuming that is for plugin development? If so C++ is a sensible strategy as it is good for cross platform, in fact writing VST's may actively require it. I forgot .NET really isn't MAC friendly (I assumed Cakewalk is 100% PC and it isn't), and a lot of people actively use C++ for drivers (although well C++ is a nightmare to test, I hope things have changed!) 

All makes sense now, these forums are written in ASP.NET (although it is third party app, scroll down to the bottom of the webpage to find out what it is) and they never get updated, that's because they have a different skillset! I was wrong they are not primarily .Net developers, but they may certainly have to access .NET programming libraries for installers etc.

That deal requires the earlier OS to be installed, so it's an update install. These have never been a good thing in the past, there's always something left behind from the old OS that later turns up to break something in bizarre ways.

It also requires a complete reinstall of all software unless the previous OS was Win7 - this is probaly to minimise the number of support calls arising from from updating an OS rather than starting from a clean disk.

This is the worst of both worlds, no clean OS install & having to reinstall all software. And, if in the future you want to completely reinstall Win 8 after formatting the disk you'll have to install XP/Vista etc first (let's play hunt the old OS dvd).

CakeAlexS


Here's a link, it will be cheaper to download on Friday....
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/html/pbpage.Windows_8_Pro

PS If someone had made a habit of saving a few bucks over the years by only buying update versions of Windows the "clean" reinstall of this Win 8 could go, install Win 3, update to Win3.1, update to Win 95, update to Win98, update to Win98SE, update to Win Me, update to Win XP, install XP SP3, update to Win 8. What could possibly go wrong? ;)


edit for appalling typing

The importance of XP to M/soft in the business world is also demonstrated by the resources, development and marketing $s they're throwing at "XP mode" virtual machine in Win 8, it's a pity it doesn't support XP drivers. If it did then moving away from XP would not be so prohibitively expensive for me.

bitflipper


According to Microsoft's own numbers, there are nearly 400 million XP and Vista machines in the world today and 500 million Windows 7 & 8 machines. If you look at business users specifically, the XP/Vista numbers actually exceed W7/8. There's good reason for that: if you rely on a workstation in your business, you stabilize it, standardize it and then leave it the flick alone. 

I can only imagine what will happen when every business application vendor announces that no updates are going to be available to those 400 million users. Fortunately, most vendors aren't bound by the Windows Logo program, which lets Microsoft dictate what they can and cannot do. 

I am not convinced that there is any technical reason for being unable to distribute an installer that's Vista/XP compatible, other than Microsoft is forcing vendors to abandon those operating systems in order to spur sales. Yes, I know that critical pieces of a SONAR installation are actually sourced from Microsoft and have to be distributed unmodified.

As an update to the compatibility status, we are now much further down the road with the Win8 work, and as of today the application will still potentially load on Vista SP2. Were doing all the Win8 specific stuff using a technique called dynamic loading so that the application doesn't have hard dependencies on Windows 8 libraries.

However since we are now building SONAR with the Windows 8 SDK, the base requirement is that the the latest C++ runtime libraries can be installed. The base requirements for the C++ redistributable come from Microsoft and are listed here:
http://www.microsoft.com/.../details.aspx?id=30679

As you can see the minimum requirement for that is Vista SP2. That said a disclaimer is that the new libraries are a big change and we are not 100% complete with the work, so there could be some other hurdle preventing Vista compatibility. Also what remains the same is that Vista is unsupported by us, which means that no testing will be done on this OS by Cakewalk so using it will be at your own risk.

There you go - thanks Noel. I'll let you get on with your scrum meeting.
Hey when are you gonna upgrade this forum software to 3.9? Perhaps you could bring that up at the next meeting?

Cheers.