i came from Logic -- over a decade of Logic. it was once great, but now greatly neglected -- ever since Apple bought Emagic. trust me, you don't want none a' that.

it crashes way more than Sonar. its UI is getting long-in-the-tooth. being Apple based, it limits your hardware choices to more expensive / less performing hardware and OS X core audio had been proven to be less performant than ASIO. dawbench.com has a write up and benchmarks on this topic.

i still have the latest version of Logic installed on my Macbook Pro, but use Cubase, there, instead (when I'm in OS X and not bootcamp).

that said, even though it does not support VST3, Logic does support AU which has a more VST3-like feature-set (like a straightforward sidechain specification). i haven't been in Logic for a while, but i'm pretty sure the Waves plugins would work with sidechaining under AU.

as much as i would like to see VST3 support in X2, the list of DAWs that support VST3 is pretty short, right now. i mean, the makers of Reaper have pretty much gone on record saying that they will never support it, for philosophical reasons. the reason Studio One supports it is they literally hired the dude that created the VST3 spec (he left Steinberg and joined PreSonus).

thanks for the info jalcide, i concur that the glue is a nice compressor :)

This is (One of the reasons) why I am NOT upgrading to X2. Cakewalk does NOT have My best interest or My customers best interest at heart. Leave me in the cold, don't expect the warmth of my monetary support. Love how they whip out the Quick fixs for X2, yet left all of the X1 cutomers Unable to Fastbounce timecode plugins as of the X1D patch in MARCH. Never had the decency to 'Make it Right'. Even lied to me personally stating an update was in the works (was never in the works for X1). The Cake has Never tasted so bad or left such a bad after taste as well. Own YOUR problems, don't dis-own your customers.

Every dynamics plugin I own that supports external sidechain input works fine in every version of SONAR I have, going back to SONAR 7 when sidechaining was first added to SONAR. 

However, the one thing I don't have is a sidechainable multiband compressor. AFAIK, the Waves C6 plugin is the only one on the market. I think it's only been recently that anyone's really noticed the lack of multibands with external sidechain inputs. It's apparently not a widely sought-after feature, else the market would have filled the void long ago.

It should be noted that every potential application I've read about for sidechaining a multiband could easily be accomplished via a conventional compressor. Read up, for example, on how engineers managed de-essing before there were dedicated de-essers. The same principle applies to any band-specific sidechaining application, such as ducking a bass or bass drum. Any broadband compressor with a sidechain filter works.

writing DAW software is rocket science, though.

in 20 years progress, across the entire world, the entire human effort combined has only been able to produce about a dozen successful companies that have reasonably competitive products (PT, Cubase, Sonar, S1, Reaper, Logic, etc).

now think how many other industries are complex enough to have only produced about 12 competitors? the auto industry, space programs, MRI and CAT scan manufactures, etc. come to mind.

they've been able to cram, what was not long ago, a 250 thousand dollar studio (magic technology in itself), into something we can toss into our backpacks.

it's absolute magic, squared.

i respectfully suggest we say "make it right" for "done wrongs." and more to the point, things that are solvable by mere mortals to throw themselves at the problem. stuff like a botched repair job on our cars, a missing part of a toy, or they used skim milk instead of 2% in our latte -- you know, the relatively easy, well understood stuff that we apes have figured out and can easily repeat.

putting extra pressure on the less than 20 in the entire world, super-coders, that are literally modelling quantum physics inside computers, is not fair or helpful.

bitflipper: Alloy 2 works well for multiband sidechain tasks (via VST2.x).

As Bitflipper says SONAR has done sidechaining since version 7 and the work was done before VST3 was even on the horizon. SONARs implementation does something neat - like allowing multiple sources to feed the same sidechain input on a plugin. It automatically internally makes a summing bus so the user doesn't need to manage an extra bus in the project. 

We even have a knowledgebase article which was published over 5 years go to guide any vendors that wanted to support sidechaining in VST 2.4. There is just so much FUD on this topic its unbelievable.

http://www.cakewalk.com/D...e/article.aspx?aid=102

And another describing sidechaining use in SONAR.

http://www.cakewalk.com/s...reader.aspx/2007013049

Numerous plugin vendors have already done so. To clarify, the technique described in that paper at paper is The way SONAR does sidechaining is all through standard VST 2.4 there is nothing in there that is proprietary to Cakewalk. I in fact learned how to do this through plugin vendors who already supported it.

Now I cannot speak for Waves - they have schedules and decisions to make just as we do, so my assumption is that they chose to only do sidechaining support in VST3 to save on development resources and implement only one solution. I forwarded the same article to their developers a couple of years ago so its not that they are unaware of the VST 2.4 method to do so - its a choice they made.

Noel why don't you speak on Cakewalk's timeframe for VST3 support, and not just continue on about what all VST 2.4 can do. Your a HOST program, a HOST should NOT limit the professional. Waves are INDUSTRY STANDARD! Cakewalk Might be more of an Industry standard if Cakewalk could HOST the current VST3 standard of the INDUSTRY STANDARD Waves plugin. If you JUST want to be a plugin company, do that instead. Ask not what you can do for your Host, but what your HOST can do for you. So Noel, When's VST3 support coming? That might not even be enough for me to come back. A Great company will own it's problems and it's customer's problems and work to make it right. Noel Antares New 64bit versions of their plugins are ONLY VST3! VST has been out since 1996, VST3 HAS BEEN OUT SINCE 2008. Sonar NOT using it now it 2012 is RIDICULOUS! Noel continuing to defend Sonar NOT having VST3 support is INSULTING! Can you imagine having to tell your Cakewalk investers why more and more people are turning to other DAWs, longtime Cakewalk user. This is but ONE of my issues with Cakewalk. Most of my issues with Cakewalk is their LACK of customer/product support and their In-ability to own up to and fix their problems. Forum members are more knowledgeable than customer support and are the main reason that this software hasn't died off completely. The same members that Cake leaves out in the cold for months and months and months. Oh well I guess this is the choice Noel and Cakewalk made for everyone. Is there an Election coming up soon? Any way to get someone with MORE VISION in power up there? If you're not moving forwards, you're moving backwards! With tremendous speed, you are moving BACKWARDS! With ALL of your X troubles, VST3 could've been one of the few things you got right with this release. I'm sure steinberg would be happy to help you with compatibility. Give us the pickle or we'll go to a burger joint that CAN and will provide us the PICKLE.

Noel continuing to defend Sonar NOT having VST3 support is INSULTING!

Would you be insulted further if I told you that Noel is absolutely right?

No, coming from a fan boi like yourself, I'm not insulted at all. It takes a lot to insult me. I'm very comfortable in my shoes. That's very cute of you to defend Noel.