Mystic38

backwoods


Probably a better solution than lecturing Cakewalk about the benefits of VST3 :)

How many plug in companies require VST3 for full benefit?- not very many

How many DAWs don't support VST3- more than half.

Wouldn't it be easier to persuade the VST makers to make proper VST2 versions?

You really need to pause and rethink how you personally view the needs of other people... its really quite sad.. it seems that you take some delight that other members have spend serious money on VST and hardware that they cannot use to their full potential because Cakewalk has let Sonar has decide we cannot use them... its the tail wagging the dog.

I'd like to bring into question the mentality of people who would go out and spend serious money on software & hardware KNOWING that Sonar doesn't support VST3.

Isn't that akin to having a cheap source of petrol (gas) and then going out & buying a diesel?

i suspect the no-show of vst3 (so far) is due to previously made technical design decisions that make such an implementation too expensive from a business standpoint [/speculation]

Bristol_Jonesey

Mystic38

backwoods


Probably a better solution than lecturing Cakewalk about the benefits of VST3 :)

How many plug in companies require VST3 for full benefit?- not very many

How many DAWs don't support VST3- more than half.

Wouldn't it be easier to persuade the VST makers to make proper VST2 versions?

You really need to pause and rethink how you personally view the needs of other people... its really quite sad.. it seems that you take some delight that other members have spend serious money on VST and hardware that they cannot use to their full potential because Cakewalk has let Sonar has decide we cannot use them... its the tail wagging the dog.

I'd like to bring into question the mentality of people who would go out and spend serious money on software & hardware KNOWING that Sonar doesn't support VST3.

Isn't that akin to having a cheap source of petrol (gas) and then going out & buying a diesel?

That, also, is a good question...

Howbeit....they may have purchased said hardware or software ex-post-facto...without fully realizing the requirements...
in which case, shame on them...
none-the-less...and either or...it's all politics, smoke, and mirrors...as usual...

Bristol_Jonesey

Mystic38

backwoods


Probably a better solution than lecturing Cakewalk about the benefits of VST3 :)

How many plug in companies require VST3 for full benefit?- not very many

How many DAWs don't support VST3- more than half.

Wouldn't it be easier to persuade the VST makers to make proper VST2 versions?

You really need to pause and rethink how you personally view the needs of other people... its really quite sad.. it seems that you take some delight that other members have spend serious money on VST and hardware that they cannot use to their full potential because Cakewalk has let Sonar has decide we cannot use them... its the tail wagging the dog.

I'd like to bring into question the mentality of people who would go out and spend serious money on software & hardware KNOWING that Sonar doesn't support VST3.

Isn't that akin to having a cheap source of petrol (gas) and then going out & buying a diesel?

From observation to me at least there are folks that
a) have purchased a plug-in package that works (ie has vst2.4 version), but the vst3 version of same package has additional functionality that they cannot exercise.
b) have seen vst3 plugs they would like to buy, but are not supported by Sonar.
c) have bought vst3 plugs assuming they worked in Sonar "the most complete DAW for windows PC", or were not aware of VST3/2.4 issues (as I was not)
c) are evaluating Sonar and surprised at its lack of inclusion
 
in my own particular case the synth predated Sonar x1 and x2 by some time, and its editor is vst3 only.. 
 
While i get your analogy, we have differing perspectives as to me, using Sonar is not the objective..... whereas using the tools/plugs/synths is the objective...Sonar is simply an enabling tool to get from music > tracks..and when users cannot use the plugs/tools/synths they choose due to constraints in the DAW, then the DAW will ultimately go..not the (more expensive) plugs/tools/synths...ie instruments of choice.
 
I am lucky that I am not at any crisis point given i am a hobbyist and I have so far have ignored this issue...in fact,  I have vocalised support for vst3 primarily due to the host of members who insist that given they dont have an issue then nobody else does...  a stance i view as being sadly lacking in community spirit and one that a healthy percentage of users could equally take on staff view (as an example) ...
 
 

Mystic38

I am lucky that I am not at any crisis point given i am a hobbyist and I have so far have ignored this issue...in fact,  I have vocalised support for vst3 primarily due to the host of members who insist that given they dont have an issue then nobody else does...  a stance i view as being sadly lacking in community spirit and one that a healthy percentage of users could equally take on staff view (as an example) ...
 
 

+1

cclary
N-Tracks - an $89 DAW program ($36 on Amazon) supports VST 3....and yet
a $500 Top of the Line DAW doesn't.  

Fruity Loops, voted #1 DAW in the latest MR Poll by subscribers (this year AND last year), supports VST 3 and is about half the cost of Sonar and has FREE UPGRADES FOR LIFE!  I personally, don't like the interface...but it gets the job done...and people are flocking to it.  

Studio One is GAINING GROUND and becoming a highly competitive player BECAUSE it supports VST 3!! 
(not the only reason)

Adobe Audition will support VST 3
BitWig Studio will support VST 3

Cubase, obviously, supports VST 3...and has taken the PRV to NEW HEIGHTS with
it's advanced editing capabilities, and NOW with VST Expression - all implemented
by the VST 3.x standard.  It also has GREAT scoring capabilities...

MOST of the DAW's are NOW seeing the benefits of supporting this format, and have
it in the pipeline...as the Plug people are moving there as well, and realize that, much
to everyone's dismay, there are GREAT benefits to it...

If this is true then it really undermines the argument that being VsT3 compatible is such a monumental undertaking for Sonar. As I noted earlier, I'm not at the point of desperation yet. But I also don't want to reach that point - sitting around with plugs that I can't use.
 
A few months ago I chimed in about VST3 and had said that it did not affect me yet... Now it DOES... albeit only a little. But the question is what's next? Do I have to buy plugs based on Sonar limitations? This won't work for me.
 
Let's be frank here, 3 will have to happen whether they like it or not. Question is only if they'll beat 2 into the ground like they did DXi's or if they'll just let it go and move on. I personally want to stay on the Sonar platform, but not at the expense of these kind of limitations. If an $85 program has features that a $500 does not then there's something wrong - my 2 cents.
 
I'm not putting anybody down because everybody should be able to run their business as they see fit. But I would wish for an answer such as: VST3 ETA or "we'll NEVER implement VST3 so get it out of your head". Then I know where I stand. If CW's long term strategy is to cater to the Garageband market, that's fine but let me know at least. In one post Noel said VST3 is not off the table... so I don't know what side is up.

Holy Crap,  Lot of scrapping going on here.  Not interested in inserting myself into a vst3 discussion since I have nothing to add but I do know that you can use softube FET and dynamite compressors and do side chain compression in sonar.

Here is a little video that explains how.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g60LK6u35c

Jackel


Holy Crap,  Lot of scrapping going on here.  Not interested in inserting myself into a vst3 discussion since I have nothing to add but I do know that you can use softube FET and dynamite compressors and do side chain compression in sonar.

Here is a little video that explains how.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g60LK6u35c

this has nothing to do with sidechain...

Huh? OP is about side chaining.  video is about side chaining.  the rest of the stupid conversation may not be but OP and me...  sidechaining.

Jackel


Huh? OP is about side chaining.  video is about side chaining.  the rest of the stupid conversation may not be but OP and me...  sidechaining.

May i simply suggest that you actually read the thread.. ?
 
 Firstly, the OP is interested in sidechaining waves C6, not sidechaining in general. Secondly, sidechaining the waves C6 plugin requires the VST3 version of said plug in, and thirdly, Sonar does not support VST3..Hence the thread really is nothing to do with sidechaining at all....:)