• SONAR
  • Latency after recording!!!
2012/10/23 19:15:10
rokadavis
I've been working with sonar for a while now and there has been no problem untill recently... I have sonar x1 d producer. and I'm currently working with a tascam us-1800 interface and the problem is that when I record and playback what i finished recording (even though I recorded persay drums with the metronome) when I play back the audio recorded it seems that it's delayed and off time... I try moving the audio and it seems to work but It really bugs that I have to do that for every single track... can somebody help me? 

I'm working with windows 7 64bit, 8ram, i7 sony vaio. 
2012/10/23 21:06:44
daveny5
Are you monitoring through the us-1800? Do you have it set to ASIO mode? What sample rate and bit depth are you using.
2012/10/24 11:14:32
bitflipper
If the delay is consistent (happens in all projects on any track), you can compensate for it automatically with the Manual Offset adjustment. The value entered is the number of samples to nudge the recorded clip over (it will be a negative value).

I find the most accurate way to determine the amount of correction is to drive an external synthesizer from a MIDI track and record the audio. The MIDI note clearly shows where the audio should land. All you have to do is calculate how many samples behind the audio is (set the counter to show samples rather than time and zoom in) and enter that into the Manual Offset textbox.
2012/10/24 14:38:29
Cactus Music
Another easy test is to re- record a kick drum track ( audio ) by routing your output back to an input. Record a new audio track, a few bars will do, put them side by side and zoom way in. 

Normally Sonar will automatically adjust for offset. 

As Daveny5 is saying, if you are monitoring in the wrong way you can end up playing along to your systems latency, Tascam has mediocre latency ( mine is 7ms  @ 44.1 and 12ms  @ 48. 

Set your monitoring to blend the computer with your input and keep input echo OFF. 
2012/10/25 01:49:22
Kalle Rantaaho
Cactus Music


 

As Daveny5 is saying, if you are monitoring in the wrong way you can end up playing along to your systems latency, Tascam has mediocre latency ( mine is 7ms  @ 44.1 and 12ms  @ 48.  
This is a little OT, but I got curious.
Elsewhere I have read that using higher sampling rates you can get lower latency. How come in your case it's the opposite?
Many users of, say, 96 kHz SR give the lower latency as one of the reasons they sacrifice so much HDD space for audio.
Or is it different with soft synths vs. audio only?
2012/10/25 10:27:28
bitflipper
Higher sample rates do give lower latency, because more data per second means it takes less time to fill a given size buffer.  The OP's problem is probably not directly related to latency, though. It could be the interface is not reporting latency correctly, or there are other unaccounted-for causes of latency that SONAR is unaware of and is therefore unable to compensate for. Such things do happen, and that's why the manual offset is provided.
2012/10/25 12:26:18
Cactus Music
Hey, I don't know why mine does this, probably Tascam's crappy drivers rearing their ugly head again.

 I have never tried changing the settings and running the centrance test, I'm just looking at Sonar's reported latency. 
Because I'm only messing around with my own material and my own band right now, 44.1Hz is more than high enough quality for my ears. 
If I ever go back into charging money for recording I wouldn't dream of using this kind of low end equipment. It's why I don't offer full album service, I just do mine and live stereo mixes. If people are paying they should get professional help and equipment. I would want to try an Apple system first   ;- 

2012/10/25 16:34:42
bitflipper
If people are paying they should get professional help

Yeh, some of the people who pay me should get professional help, too. But I keep that sentiment to myself.
2012/10/25 18:43:52
Cactus Music
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