• SONAR
  • Step Sequencer - Several questions (p.2)
2012/10/18 23:42:22
chrisharbin
Reading this frustrates me. I appears that though you can be somewhat flexible per row, but not really anything globally? That seems mighty archaic. I think for many things I would just prefer to work in the PRV (though I understand the overall appeal)
2012/10/19 00:19:45
Tripecac
I also prefer the PRV, and so far I don't really understand the appeal of the step sequencer. Of course, maybe that's just because I've been using the PRV 99.999999999% of the time for the past 10+ years.
2012/10/19 00:22:08
Tripecac
I found a way to apply swing to the entire pattern: I added a Quantize MIDI effect to the track. I then adjusted the swing in that.

Pretty hacky, but it worked.
2012/10/19 00:28:12
chrisharbin
Yeah, I get what you are saying. lolz, hacky!
2012/10/19 00:40:15
musichoo
Hi Bob Bone,
                    I had notice that you are one of the most cheerful helper in the forum and you have plenty to write. Perhaps you should consider collecting all your writing in the forum and when you have enough of them then you can publish them in a book?

                    Just a tought. Just to let you know I appreciate your contribution.

Choo Shi-Hwei
2012/10/19 01:06:20
robert_e_bone
Well, thanks for the kind words - I think I'm happy just helping folks when I can, and learning a lot myself in the process.

Bob Bone

2012/10/19 07:22:31
garrigus
musichoo

Hi Bob Bone,
                    I had notice that you are one of the most cheerful helper in the forum and you have plenty to write. Perhaps you should consider collecting all your writing in the forum and when you have enough of them then you can publish them in a book?

                    Just a tought. Just to let you know I appreciate your contribution.

Choo Shi-Hwei
If you'd like to read a book on how to use SONAR, you might want to check out the SONAR Power book series... http://www.garrigus.com/powerbooks.asp


Best,
Scott

--
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* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks
* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://garrigus.com/?ProAudioTutor
* Publisher of the DigiFreq free music technology newsletter: http://digifreq.com/?DigiFreq
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2012/10/22 22:26:23
Tripecac
The more I use the step sequencer, the more I feel like it's a "throwaway" feature included just to get tick mark on a marketing page. "Step sequencer? Yes."

Once my patterns are built, I am finding it very hard to use them within the track view.

1) I have a 2-measure pattern which repeats over 8 measures. When I try to copy just the last iteration to a new track or new part of the song, only the first 2-measure cycle gets copied. I then have to stretch it out again. This is annoying, compared to the "what you see is what you copy" behavior of normal clips.

2) If I move the NOW time to the middle of a pattern during playback, I often hear 2 copies of the pattern playing at once, each starting at different times. I have no idea Sonar it does this. It's annoying, and forces me to stop playback, which interrupts my usual workflow.

3) I can't figure out how to split a pattern or string of patterns like I would a normal clip. So I can't remove a measure from the middle of my 8-measure string of patterns. This is frustrating, because I like to drop out drums now and then.

4) I find that the only way to get a pattern to "behave" predictably in track view is to switch the pattern clip's default view to piano roll. Yet again, this interrupts the creative flow, and discourages me from sticking with patterns. Is the idea to finish creating a pattern first, and then convert it to a normal clip so that you can use it properly?

I don't intend to spend much time troubleshooting (and providing Cakewalk with steps to reproduce) the above problems, because I have a gut feeling that the step sequencer is a dead end, at least for me. I like to play music, not program it, and so far the step sequencer doesn't seem like it does anything more than let you program instead of play.

Am I missing something, or is the step sequencer just a barely functional tick mark?
2012/10/23 03:03:26
musichoo
garrigus


musichoo

Hi Bob Bone,
                   I had notice that you are one of the most cheerful helper in the forum and you have plenty to write. Perhaps you should consider collecting all your writing in the forum and when you have enough of them then you can publish them in a book?

                   Just a tought. Just to let you know I appreciate your contribution.

Choo Shi-Hwei
If you'd like to read a book on how to use SONAR, you might want to check out the SONAR Power book series... http://www.garrigus.com/powerbooks.asp


Best,
Scott

--
Scott R. Garrigus - http://garrigus.com/
* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks
* Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://garrigus.com/?ProAudioTutor
* Publisher of the DigiFreq free music technology newsletter: http://digifreq.com/?DigiFreq
* Publisher of the NewTechReview free consumer technology newsletter: http://newtechreview.com/?NewTechReview

Well Scott,
               I am a old customer, I own Sonar2, 8 and x1 powerbooks. LOL
Choo Shi-Hwei
2012/10/23 03:33:06
Kenneth
Ditto one the step sequencer, everything takes more time and is more cumbersome than just working in the PRV, and it's a fixed size so you can't work on longer parts by zooming out.

Fix Step record mode instead, PLEASE, much more powerful and useful, but in the state it's in now it's useless.
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