Hey Bristol- Jonesey, why you suggest that kind of save? Can you explain what do you mean?

Doing a 'Save As' has a couple of real benefits, provided you obey a couple of strict rules.

1 - you MUST ensure "Copy audio With Project" is selected
2 - you MUST save it to a totally different location to your "normal" audio path.

Once you've done this, you can safely delete the original project as everything that is needed for it is now contained within the new project file structure.

I thinh that the real thing is to open Project/audio files and you can whatch all the song's audio files and their own weight. Taking for example a bass track, you can really take note that there are possibly 15 or 20 takes of them, each with their own  wave number and their single weight in KB! That's how a song can grow bigger and bigger over the time. What do you think about that? 

The amount of audio tracks and takes is almost irrelevant to the size of the cwp file, the audio isn't stored in the file. The audio is stored either in the global audio folder or in the audio folder associated with the file.

The cwp file contains pointers to the audio. If you have a cwp file of 1 GB you must definitely work in a different way to me. In fact I'd suggest there's something wrong with the set up.

I have projects that have 40 or 50 audio tracks of 5 - 8 minutes in length with anything up to a dozen takes per track. I don't think I've got any cwp files over 2,000 kb (Yes kb). Of course the project folder is much larger but not the actual cwp file.

Are you sure you're not saving as a bundle file (cwb)? That does contain the audio and will be large.

lapasoa


I thinh that the real thing is to open Project/audio files and you can whatch all the song's audio files and their own weight. Taking for example a bass track, you can really take note that there are possibly 15 or 20 takes of them, each with their own  wave number and their single weight in KB! That's how a song can grow bigger and bigger over the time. What do you think about that? 

Exactly. That's what we have been trying to tell you. :o)
The confusing thing to us was that you were talking about a "song file", which can be undersztood in many ways.
The project file (cwp) is one thing, a bundle file (cwb) is another thing, and the Project (or Global) Audio folder is again another thing. To be understood correctly you should use the terminology used in SONAR instead of inventing your own.

No, when you save a Sonar project using per project audio file, you'll have in C: or whatever a folder that contains the project file (cwp) together with his project audio folder or not? When I am saying "song file" I mean cwp + audio

Out of curiosity I just checked my files for size.
I keep each song in a FOLDER, The CWP and the audio file inside. 
Those FOLDERS average between 170 MB and the biggest was 456MB ( was a 6 min. song )  These are standard 3-4 min. rock song arrangement with live drums and bass, couple guitars and vocal tracks. say around 15 audio tracks,  MIDI is basic keyboards ( organ piano) I have done no deleting or file clean up and some of these songs have dates like 2010 and have been worked to death. There are many re takes and edits. I think they would represent a pretty average recording project. 


So 1 Gig?? it must be a 10 minute song as that seems to determine a lot regarding file size. 

Oh and most important=  24/44.1 As that will make big difference. 

I just had a look at some of mine.

I'd say on average, the audio folders are between 2 & 3 Gb for a typical 5 minute rock song (I don't do short songs )
cwp files are between 2 & 3 Mb

My biggest project which has 75+ tracks, loads of synths, 100+ plugs is about 10Gb in total, but again, the cwp is an order of magnitude smaller (and this particular project took over a year to complete with multiple guitars, vocal harmonies, many, many takes, live V-Vocal clips - you get the picture - this thing is over 12 minutes long so the size doesn't surprise me one bit.

lapasoa


No, when you save a Sonar project using per project audio file, you'll have in C: or whatever a folder that contains the project file (cwp) together with his project audio folder or not? When I am saying "song file" I mean cwp + audio

I have understood that the saving procedure in X1 is similar to older SONARs. If that is correct, then, as default the SONAR project files are saved in C/ Cakewalk Projects.. The audio goes to either global or per project audio folder, depending on what you have set. As default, the project file and audio are never saved inside the same folder unless you specificly make it happen.

If the system has been changed, I apologize and shut up.