• SONAR
  • Not too happy with X2
2012/10/05 13:43:52
timidi

I have 8.53 and X1 and now X2 installed.
Never did use X1 as I didn't like it.

Reading about X2 and how wonderful it is here on the forum and how they fixed some of the workflow issues, 
I thought I'd give X2 a shot.

I can't get the program to do much without crashing.
I'm not going to go into details as it is irrelevant.
I didn't pay $99 to be a beta tester.

I also figured,  if I don't like X2, at least I get a (maybe) a decent reverb in Breverb out of it.
Well, that didn't work out either as I see Breverb is not allowed in 8.53....
Cakewalk clearly advertises this as a VST plugin. It is NOT as it is exclusive to X2...... That really sucks..

X2 has also screwed up my installations of Rapture and DimPro.

Fortunately I made a system image before install.

Not a happy camper.


2012/10/05 13:49:31
Beepster
There do seem to be some bugs but it shouldn't be crashing THAT much. System specs? Have you tried the QuickFix yet? I have yet to install the fix (waiting until I finish my current project) but I'm hoping it solves my weird clip selection issue. It's driving me crazy! Otherwise I'm really liking X2. It makes X1 look like a pile of puke.
2012/10/05 13:55:49
cowboydan
When I first downloaded the X2 in presale I had problems getting the whole download in the computer. A few pieces were missing. I downloaded them again with google chrome and everything went smooth and I wasn't missing anything. I also see a lot of users with problems ,but I think 75% of them are due to not knowing how to use the program or smaal conflicts in the computer.

Danny
2012/10/05 14:25:06
dubdisciple
I've come to the conclusion that no software, no matter how well received in general is going to be free of people who find it buggy.  To the OP, I am sorry you are having problems but you are certainly not a beta tester.  X2 had plenty of beta testers who put the product through many rounds of intense testing to the point where cakewalk was confident they had a stable product...and it is for the most part.

for me X2 has been stable, but i'm not going to be shocked if i get a crash at some point in life.  i realize that does not help you, but it does illustrate that your experience is not universal. The way i see it, you invested the money, so you may as well invest a little extra time to perhaps sort why your experience is so different than mine.

BTW, I'm not claiming i have no issues, but the yare minor for the most part.  i did have to re-install dim pro and rapture, but once3 i got a feel for the best approach, it was relatively simple (tedious and redundant) but simple. For me, I totally uninstalled 8.53 and X1 completely.  Since you made a drive image, this is less of a gamble for you.  i also scrubbed my registry of all cakewalk entries, including plugins.  the fresh install went a lot smoother.

X2 is a huge improvement over X1 and you giving up so easily is kind oif cheating yourself out of the opportunity to experience the positive side of the upgrade.  i understand your frustration, but stockpiling unused upgrade after unused upgrade waiting for the "perfect' upgrade is making it more likely you will be disappointed with the next one as well.
2012/10/05 15:04:52
stevec
I was just going to write "good post" or similar, but I think this line is really spot-on:
 
stockpiling unused upgrade after unused upgrade waiting for the "perfect' upgrade is making it more likely you will be disappointed with the next one as well.

 
X2 is the next generation of X1, so it pretty much looks and acts like X1 but with many (rather nice) refinements.  Obviously it's not going to be like 8.5 or earlier, but I think that's the point of the "X" series.  
 
Naturally the UI/workflow aspect in X2 isn't much of a factor if the app crashes too often to ever get there. But with that said I find it hard to understand this:
 
 I can't get the program to do much without crashing.
I'm not going to go into details as it is irrelevant. 

 
This seems to imply that if it doesn't work perfectly out of the box, then as an extension of X1 it's not worth the effort.  But if that's the case, perhaps we're leading right back to Dub's quote above...
 
 
 
Disclamer: This was all written from the perspective of someone who did like X1 and who likes X2 even more.  
 
2012/10/05 15:13:25
timidi
Hey Dub. I'm glad it's working for you and that you like it.

Point is, I have better things to do than to try and search this forum or the net for answers to problems.
I've been there too many times. 

The other point is the false advertising that Breverb is a VST. Oh yea, it may be a VST in Sonar X2, but not anywhere else. Which, by default is a lie as VST is an open source protocol.

If anyone's keeping track of bugs, the preview bus in the loop browser is still broken. Actually it's broken worse than it used to be.


2012/10/05 15:20:13
StarTekh
timidi> go update your chipset drivers from motherboard home page support install patch 308 and update the video drivers, it runs real well here with the patch !!
2012/10/05 15:27:33
John
VST is an open source protocol? When did this happen? Steinberg owns it and licensees it. At least thats the last I heard.
2012/10/05 15:29:09
timidi
StarTekh. Thanks. I checked. No update available.

John, you know what I meant.
2012/10/05 15:35:17
Funkybot
John


VST is an open source protocol? When did this happen? Steinberg owns it and licensees it. At least thats the last I heard.

I believe that it's an open plugin format for developers (i.e. anyone can develop using the free VST SDK) - hence all the free VST plugins. I've even seen some free hosts (Minihost, Chistian Budde's Plugin Analyzer) so I wonder if there are licensing fees on either the plugin or host sides. Yes, Stienberg owns it and licenses it, but that doesn't make it NOT open.


I'm not a developer though, so I could totally be off base on that.
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