• SONAR
  • Not too happy with X2 (p.3)
2012/10/05 17:41:57
Beepster
Your system is almost identical to mine and X2 is running fine for me. I've had a bit of odd behavior but the only "crashes" I've had were when I tried to clone an entire BFD folder and when I had browsed like a hundred different DimPro patches in one session (DimPro problem not X2 apparently). And neither of those were full crashes. Somethin's wacky with your system or you are using stuff I don't in your projects. If it persists give Cake a call and see if they can help you pinpoint the issue. They helped me when my Echo card was dorking everything up. Good luck.
2012/10/05 17:42:50
dahjah
Actually they came on b4 launch and told us that the X2 version breverb was for X2 only and you could pay $120 or supm like that to get the full verion of the vst but that it would not work in PC. I remember that and at this time want nothing to do with X2, but that's a different story. If i had it I'd definitely try it for a while and use what I need when customers come by.
2012/10/05 17:43:44
Beepster
Actually maybe it's your soundcard... that is the only major difference in our set ups.
2012/10/05 17:51:49
Bub
timidi

John, you know what I meant.
I have him blocked, and I've been a LOT happier. You should try it ... I can only imagine what drivel he slung your way. Probably something along the lines of defending steinberg or something stating that VST is not an open source ... and that is a total guess as I have him blocked and can only see two green lines ... but he usually just says the opposite of what you say just to royally piss you off ...

Back to the subject at hand ...

So far X2 has been working great for me, especially after I did the Quick Fix.

I'm not mentioning this to bust balls, you know I would never do that to you ...

I'm saying it because, what your experiencing with X2 is exactly what I experienced with X1. All that stuff seems to have been fixed on my system with X2.

The only thing different is, I'm using a different sound card now ... I'm using the crappy onboard Realtek sound with ASIO4ALL drivers ...

My story may change when I get settled in to my new place and hook my Fast Track Ultra back up ...

So far I'm liking X2.

As for the Breverb VST ... I agree with you 100%. If it's advertised as a VST ... it should work in any host. That's the entire point of VST's. If they don't want their VST's to work with anything else, then offer them as Pro Channel modules only, or say ... "This is a proprietary VST that only works with Sonar."
2012/10/05 18:04:30
John
I have him blocked, and I've been a LOT happier. You should try it ... I can only imagine what drivel he slung your way. Probably something along the lines of defending steinberg or something stating that VST is not an open source ... and that is a total guess as I have him blocked and can only see two green lines ... but he usually just says the opposite of what you say just to royally piss you off ...
Then you will not know what I am saying about you here.

Very find fellow Bub is.
2012/10/05 18:07:36
dubdisciple
As for the VST thing, the fact is that it is a VST and thus advertised as such.  Many of Sonar's (and other DAW and editor programs) plugins are proprietary VSTs and are not labeled as such.  Why anyone would expect this third party to be an exception is beyond me.  As i have previously stated, I'm quite sure the decision to lock it to sonar is was made by Overloud for obvious reasons.  If they allowed it to be used outisde of Sonar I guarantee the licensing fee would have been a lot higher.  it was included to be part of a bundled package and not as a way for non-sonar x2 users to obtain a product that Overloud does not sell as a separate entity.  If they were interested in selling a "Breverb Lite", i am sure they could easily do so on their own site.  These types of licenses allows them to expose their product without giving away the farm, make a little money in licensing fees and upgrades.

I still don't see how anyone can be surprised or feel deceived.  cakewalk has put the locks on most of their own plugins in recent years, even retroactively locking down effects that used to work in other programs.   Every third party VST program i can think of has been locked to Sonar except programs that the manufacturer offers a similar free or low-cost program already like guitar rig le.  if you though Breverb Sonar  was going to be an exception, you simply have not been paying attention.  Someone even pointed out that they announced it was tied to sonar long before release.
2012/10/05 18:11:52
indravayu

I am also running an RME HDSPE AiO on Win 7  64Bit and things are running smoothly (especially after installing the Quickfix). RME cards and drivers are pretty stable.


Beepster


Actually maybe it's your soundcard... that is the only major difference in our set ups.


2012/10/05 18:17:36
Beepster
@indravayu... You made me think perhaps this is a driver issue. Maybe check to see all your device drivers are up to date, timidi. Which brings up another point what exactly are you doing when the crashes occur and what devices other than the sound card do you have hooked up to the system? Also what plugs/soft synths are you using and how do you have the Windows configured for audio? There are some optimization techniques that don't play well with Sonar and maybe they've become more pronounced with X1 an 2. Just a thought.
2012/10/05 18:22:34
John
This is the only thing that gave me pause.

Video
ati Radeon HD 5450
driver date 5/24/2011
version 8.861.0.0

I would check and see if a newer driver is available.
2012/10/05 18:27:01
Beepster
Somewhat off topic but it really annoys me that in this day and age we have to watch out for video card mayhem when working with audio. It just shouldn't be a concern in my mind. I'm not playing friggen' Halo or whatever the heck kids are up to these days.
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