Timidi - we have looked at your system specs, and have nicely asked you to get your system up to date, which it is not, followed by several of us indicating a willingness to help get whatever is left broken after that fixed.

The 'break it some more comment' is a bit condescending, considering we've put more effort into this than you have, at this point.

Now, last time for me asking - do you want help fixing this or not?  If you do then quit griping and complaining and do the things we are asking of you - basic things - and we will try to help.

If you aren't willing to do that, then don't waste people's time in this forum simply complaining for complaining's sake.

My system works - and so does the person who has a very similar system to yours.  We have applied basic maintenance to our systems and have asked you to do the same.  In the link I sent you earlier, ASUS indicates in MANY places that the SEVERAL bios releases you are behind in applying FIX stability issues.

Grow up or don't - your choice.  I'll still help you - but if you post anything other than a 'ok I have applied the updates, now what do we do' kind of post then you are on your own.

Bob Bone

timidi- i know you don't mean any harm, but the explanation as to why it won't work in 8.53 is simple, it is licensed to X2 the same way many other included products were tied to previous versions. the pantheon reverb will work in X2, but you must install it via the 8.53 installer and technically have 8.53 installed even if you install nothing else. Overloud is not going to retroactively license their product to previous editions because it is not in their best interest to do so.

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I would pay more than TWICE the upgrade price of X2 Producer for Cakewalk to instead fix bugs in X1. Unfortunately, I have lost a lot of confidence in Cakewalk's ability to find bugs in their own software before releases. I just wish Cakewalk development schedules would just slow down and allow them to do things better than to get the latest and most competing features, or that a budgetary decision would be made to ramp up Beta testing and bug-hunting vs. researching things like Pro-Channel plug-ins. My 2 cents.

So you just joined this forum on 10/5, this is your first post, but you've probably been a long time user, correct? If you have a problem with what you consider "bugs" you should ask for help and post your issues asking others first, don't ya think? I think Cakewalk does a fine job and this is one of the only forums where you MAY just have one of the dudes that created the program send you a pm to help you through your issues. But no one can read your mind.
 
Granted, there are legit bugs...but have you ever thought for a minute how many systems and configuration possibilities there are? I work for a few companies doing beta work. Here's an example. In one of the companies I test for, (which we tested extensively) we released what we thought was the pefect program...or at least as perfect as we could get it. We have programs that run that log bugs as we test. We tested until all 60 beta testers were no longer receiving error messages or any kind. We used both an intense script of testing certain areas that was created for us as well as using the program the way we normally use it.
 
This is a pretty famous piece of software mind you, so there is a reputation at stake. When we released, there were bugs that others found that we couldn't believe got by us. One was a show-stopper, the others were just annoying. We lived this program and the testing of it for a long time. We were so depressed feeling we failed as testers, the company we worked for had to chime in to calm us down. I have no clue how Cakewalk runs their business or handles their testing procedures, but they are more famous than this other place I test for and I'm sure they have way more things going on behind the scenes as well as more resources.
 
If you read these forums, since X2 was released, there were quite a few threads that started as "bug found" that ended up saying "resolved" because of user error or someone simply not knowing about something and they were later informed or taught something new. That of course doesn't sweep legit bugs under the carpet, but if YOU personally have had issues with Sonar, it would have been nice to see 20 posts from you asking us to help you instead of your first being a negative opinion...even if it was well worded and taken as you meant it.
 
It's not like you had issues like guys like Bub had that have been asking for help or legit fixes on specific things or Mike V who has been a long time Sonar user that couldn't even use X1 until patch c. Those guys in my opinion, as well as Tim here who is a respected user as well as a great engineer, would have a reason to rant. So if you have issues, try this forum. The users here are some of the best tech support you will ever find when it comes to Sonar. I say that from experience as they have helped me faster than sending a ticket to support on all occassions but 2. What you think is a bug, may not be a bug at all. If it IS truly a bug, no one has any bones about admitting to it...and I'm sure the Bakers would like to see it fixed.
 
All of the above said, have you had a gander at the Cubase, Pro Tools or Logic forums? Safe to say they are in worse shape than we are...and you will just about NEVER see someone that represents the company show up in your pm box. Sonar is not perfect...but to me, it's more perfect than anything else out there for what *I* need out of an audio program...and part of that, is due to this forum and how it has helped me from Cakewalk 3.0 to present Sonar X2.
 
Not trying to give you a hard time though in a sense it seems I am....it just bothers me to see new forum members with 0 posts, start off their time here with something that very well could be fixed by allowing us into your world. Something to think about.
 
-Danny 

My story may change when I get settled in to my new place and hook my Fast Track Ultra back up ...

 
Working great here. However, Windows 7 updates and M-Audio aint working great. Driver drops with power saving options.
 
Not Sonar's fault.
 
Brian

Brian, can you uncheck the box in the hub your driver (interface?) is connected to that allows windows to turn device off to save power?

I did that for all my hubs, and I never lose any devices  - maybe that will help you?

I would also like to circle back to waiting for Timidi to figure out what he wants out of his thread and put this stuff into a new thread - just to keep this one clean

Bob Bone

Hey Tim: Be careful with that bios thing. I had a discussion with Jim Roseberry about this...and he's someone I hold in the highest regard as far as computers go. His advice to me was "don't mess with your bios unless you truly have to and something is wrong".

That said, I have a hard time feeling someone would need to update their system bios because of one program. Though it can definitely play a role is fixing issues IF you have issues, I don't feel you should have to resort to that just yet. There may be something you're missing somewhere that we might be able to get to the bottom of before you mess with the bios. I know for sure after talking to Jim, I will never go down that road unless I have to. I have a great system that I bought from him that is several versions behind in bios now. He told me "no" and no it is for me. I figured the additional enhancements may make my system perform a little better. But it's not broken, so I'm not touching it.

Jim also told me "you will either see no performance increase and stay the same, or you may make things worse." That's enough for me to not even go there. Then again, if there IS something in your bios that would fix the issues you are having, I would let that advice come from someone that knows for sure brother. That is not to take away from the people that have given you this advice as some of them are definitely respected in what they've shared. However, the last thing you want is your system to go down. Even if you backed everything up and could get it back to where it is...do you really have the time for that?

As for Windows updates....I feel your pain. Though I've never had any issues with updating "important" updates, the "Recommended" updates have screwed me several times to where I had to ignore them and do a system restore. One time one of them just would not update my system throwing me into a loop to where the machine would not boot. I had to boot up in safe mode using network mode, let it scan to where it found nothing wrong and then it allowed me to boot and do a system restore. So yeah, you definitely have to be careful with them. One thing that has helped me (which can be time consuming when you do win updates) is to do them one at a time. This way if you have a problem, you know what update caused it. I never do a big load of them anymore and try to check for updates every 2 weeks to a month so this big bundle isn't waiting for me.

Anyway, I hope you sort out your issues. I would just be a little cautious in how you go about solving them though. Maybe see if Noel can give you a little advice or something or fill out a support ticket and use 8.5 until you can find out what your options are. But to me personally....the day I have to update my bios due to one program...is the day I get rid of that one program or I find out if in fact that for sure it is my bios that need to be updated.

-Danny

Danny - I agree with you in general that bios updates are to be really done if there are issues.

In Timidi's situation, he indicates that there are massive stability issues, and while Sonar is only 1 program, his particular computer is configured for pretty much only recording and audio processing.  In addition, the motherboard manufacturer's download page for his motherboard clearly indicates that for at least 2, and  I think all of the bios updates he is behind were released specifically to address stability issues.

Lastly, another individual has a quite similar machine, and is not experiencing these kinds of issues.

Adding the above up, I believe that updating the bios on TImidi's machine to be a warranted step towards resolution.

Bob Bone

Danny Danzi

As for Windows updates....I feel your pain. Though I've never had any issues with updating "important" updates, the "Recommended" updates have screwed me several times to where I had to ignore them and do a system restore.

Every time I do a fresh install and do the Windows Updates ... I always forget myself and do that damn Net 4.0 update.

Did it to myself again a couple days ago ... grrrr.

I don't know what that Net 2.0/3.0/4.0 stuff is, but I do know that the Net 4.0 thingamabob slows my web browsing to a screeching halt and noticeably slows down program loading times. I can download files at normal speed, but web browsing is significantly slower.

I'm tempted to just do a fresh install of Windows 7 and never update it ... but then I read horror stories about security problems and feel like I have to do updates. It's crazy, there's hundreds of updates ... and I think it comes to around 2GB all totaled. Just when you think you're done, there's another 50 updates to update the update that you just updated to. AHHH!

It's a nightmare to be sure.  The NET updates are a framework collection of routines that manage applications written for the .NET framework.  Sounds silly - but it used to be that each programmer had to write a lot of routines just to do a bunch of common tasks.  One of the more dangerous sets of stuff was deletion of stuff from memory that was no longer used.  This exposed systems to a lot of potential for badly written routines to cause havoc on systems.

To address this, Microsoft implemented the .NET framework.  It does a lot of that behind the scenes stuff for programmers, and is a lot more stable for systems in the process of doing that.

The end - patching still sucks, but for Timidi I think he should apply the bios updates and revisit the state of things on his system after doing that.

Right now his system is unstable and not usable with X2, so I think it a good place for him to start, in terms of moving toward some improvement to his situation.

Bob Bone

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I'll check out the bios and video driver.
Thanks guys. I'm feeling all purflect......

And Win 7 updates as well.

And break it some more ??

I've updated bios once, following the advise from Intel site, saying it will better support a new memory configuration, to which I'm using.

I let my system do auto update on display drivers. I'm using both Radeon and Nvidia cards, not that I intentionally mix them, but due to a purchase mistake, I'm in lack of one display port, so rather than buying a third better card, I just add both, tested it and works. So far, it is problem free. Display drivers update solved an issue I had in X1.

For Windows update, as Danny mentioned, I also had the update loop problem that won't get past. After understanding this issue by reading the forum, I just do one update at a time and problem solved.

For me, X2 upgrade is just like another X1 patch, relatively problem free. I had one crash, due to a 32 bit vst, which I'm unable to duplicate upon reboot. And one minor 'now time' missing issue, to which support had accepted and pass to development. Other than that, X2 is fine, finished a new project completely on X2. But then, I've been running X1 without any issue up to patch 'd'.

I do hope you sort out the problem as your system looks very recent.