Hi Gio,

Maybe you missed my reply on your other thread about this subject :)
http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2684548 
It should be straightforward to find out what is causing the delay. If my instructions don't help, contact me via a PM and either I or someone from support should be able to figure it out. 

SONAR on its own does not induce delay for sure - there is nothing in the mixer circuit that can cause this.

Thanks, Harpman.

X2 incorporated a huge number of fixes to a number of things that have been awry for quite a while.  I will also say that I believe - so far - that X2 certainly outperforms X1, and that even beyond that that the corporate decision to completely redesign the user interface - (X1) show a complete and total commitment to the user experience.

Being in IT myself for about 38 years, you I am sure have seen time and time again where management refuses to fund things like redesigned user interfraces, because they believe it adds no functionality.  And yet, Cakewalk flew in the face of that to completely rework the UI for X1, precisely for purposes of opening up the product to a wider consumer base - regular folks - who would find it MUCH easier to get things done with less of a learning curve.

X2 does have some bugs - all software does - but the very fact of seeing the CTO pop into a user thread on a weekend MORNING shows the level of effort they are putting into getting things right.

I have already completed some seriously complex projects in X2, with no problems whatsoever, and am quite happy to have it on my desktop.

On an unrelated note, I too have the Presonus AudioBox 1818VSL interface, and love it.  I am curious about you taking your computer on gigs.  Are you talking using it for performance or for doing live recordings?  I ask because if you are using it for performance, I would suggest you check out a piece of software from a company called Brainspawn, called Forte.  It is a VST hose shell, like an electronic rack, and I have used it for years for live performance.  It supports really sophisticated layering of all kinds of soft synths, with effects, and is a dream.

Anyways - give X2 a good shaking - I think you will like it, 

Bob Bone

bob, i'd like to respectfully say that in my own (only) 20 years of being a developer, management is more likely to "ok" ui changes as that's what the end-user (literally) sees - they don't see the under-the-hood stuff, and non-techies generally have trouble understanding what "clicking a button" actually does... imho

Noel,


Yes I did and replied to it.  Please let me know your thoughts on my analogy.

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk
]

Hi Gio,

Maybe you missed my reply on your other thread about this subject :)
http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2684548 
It should be straightforward to find out what is causing the delay. If my instructions don't help, contact me via a PM and either I or someone from support should be able to figure it out. 

SONAR on its own does not induce delay for sure - there is nothing in the mixer circuit that can cause this.

I meant to specify in the mainframe environment - sorry.

Bob Bone

Just to touch on what Danny posted... he is likely right in general about fiddling with the BIOS on a system that is already set up. I should mention that I updated all that stuff BEFORE installing all my programs and configuring the system for audio so there wasn't much that could get screwed up. I'm not sure what would happen if I had waited until now to do those BIOS updates. Perhaps nothing or perhaps it would start shooting ravenous hamsters at my head. I just don't know. However for my specific ASUS board which is very closely related to OPs (it might actually be the exact same model, I'd have to double check my model number but it is definitely the same series and I'm assuming the same BIOS) there was a little slip in the box PLEADING with the end customer to update the BIOS drivers from their site because there were known issues with the originals that, as Robert mentioned, caused instability. Perhaps best left to a computer guru at this point but if you are indeed using the the drivers that came on the disk or bought the board right when it came out you might want to get that looked at or maybe back up your data, wipe the system and start from scratch with the new drivers installed. Even better get a pro like Jim to look at it. The main difference between Danny's situation and OPs is Danny's system is working (as would be expected because it was set up by a specialist) whereas OPs system is NOT working for it's intended purpose which is running the modern versions of Sonar. Cheers.

I'm hoping Timidi posts some sort of response today, so that we know if he has done anything with regards to the BIOS updates.  I AM an IT specialist - 38 years - and believe the BIOS updates to be key for achieving stability.

There have been a number of posts by other folks here, but not so much from the one with the problems.  It was last left with him to decide on whether or not to pursue upgrading his BIOS and potentially other things on his system, and he has yet to respond with any updates.

Hello - are you there?

Bob Bone

Bob,


Glad to see another "Egghead" out there.  At least that's what my girlfriend calls me .  You and I have been in the technology business for quite some time!  I'm glad we have some common understanding.  I don't want to diss X2 and I surely don't want to learn another product.  Spent too many hours learning SONAR over the years.  I understand where Cakewalk is coming from in their effort to capture more market share.  People who use ProTools, Logic or Ableton always tell me its an easy interface to navigate.  I don't know if I buy into that.  I think it's all about the time invested to learn a product.  I do applaud Cakewalk to making what I thought was a easy interface in X1, even easier. They do a great job on their videos (Brandon and Seth are the best!).


I would love to get some feedback on the Presonis.  I want to use it for both performance and live recording.  In addition, I do live video streaming as well.  Thanks for the tip on Forte, I will definitely check it out. I currently have a 32-Channel board that I drag to gigs (even a duo gig), and want to eliminate the load-in/load out time (back breaking). I have a 10u rack full of EQ's, Compressors, Crossover, FX, etc.).  I would love not to carry that load to a gig if I can avoid it, especially for duo/trio formats.  I'm curious on the Presonus - Are you using the ADAT with another device to give yourself more than 8 channels?  I like that the 1st 8 XLR pre's are in the front and want to get another device that has them in the front as well.  I currently have a 4U SKB rolling rack that houses my DAW and another SKB 6U  rolling rack that will hold my Presonus.  In that 6U I also have a 24-port patch bay, 4-port headphone amp.  On the 1818, what do you set your ASIO control panel at and your ASIO buffer size?  Noel had mention setting my ASIO buffer I/O to match the ASIO control panel, but that leads to disaster and locks up SONARPDR.exe. 


Keep in touch!!

robert_e_bone


Thanks, Harpman.

X2 incorporated a huge number of fixes to a number of things that have been awry for quite a while.  I will also say that I believe - so far - that X2 certainly outperforms X1, and that even beyond that that the corporate decision to completely redesign the user interface - (X1) show a complete and total commitment to the user experience.

Being in IT myself for about 38 years, you I am sure have seen time and time again where management refuses to fund things like redesigned user interfraces, because they believe it adds no functionality.  And yet, Cakewalk flew in the face of that to completely rework the UI for X1, precisely for purposes of opening up the product to a wider consumer base - regular folks - who would find it MUCH easier to get things done with less of a learning curve.

X2 does have some bugs - all software does - but the very fact of seeing the CTO pop into a user thread on a weekend MORNING shows the level of effort they are putting into getting things right.

I have already completed some seriously complex projects in X2, with no problems whatsoever, and am quite happy to have it on my desktop.

On an unrelated note, I too have the Presonus AudioBox 1818VSL interface, and love it.  I am curious about you taking your computer on gigs.  Are you talking using it for performance or for doing live recordings?  I ask because if you are using it for performance, I would suggest you check out a piece of software from a company called Brainspawn, called Forte.  It is a VST hose shell, like an electronic rack, and I have used it for years for live performance.  It supports really sophisticated layering of all kinds of soft synths, with effects, and is a dream.

Anyways - give X2 a good shaking - I think you will like it, 

Bob Bone

wrt BIOS updates, quite often these can just be to support newer CPUs (rather than fix broken things) so always check the version change history to see if it's actually worth doing

P8P67 BIOS 3509 1.Improve system stability.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 2.Enhance compatibility with some USB devices. 3.Fixed Nvidia GTX 680 hang when runing with UEFI driver. 4.Support new CPUs. Please refer to our website at: http://support.asus.com/c...t.aspx?SLanguage=en-us File Size 3,17 (MBytes) 2012.09.07 update Version 3301 Description P8P67 BIOS 3301 Improve system stability.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< File Size 3,18 (MBytes) 2012.06.13 update Version 3207 Description P8P67 BIOS 3207 1.Improve system stability.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 2.Improve memory compatibility.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 3.Support new CPUs. Please refer to our website at: http://support.asus.com/c...t.aspx?SLanguage=en-us * Enable support for Intel Next Gen 22nm Processor E1 stepping MP version CPU. Bios is the key to a good running system, do understand this is to fix issues and is not just good reading !!!