• SONAR
  • X2 is broken. List (p.6)
2012/10/08 10:35:51
Bristol_Jonesey
What are these "serious" problems X2 is supposed to have?

I'm genuinely curious
2012/10/08 11:50:56
NukleoN
 I've listed some of my complaints in my original post.
2012/10/08 11:57:00
NukleoN
 @Bristol_Jonesey: 'So when you find out that competition's software also exhibits similar problems, who you going to blame then? ' Yes. But, they won't all have similar problems. Does all software have bugs? Yes. Does all software have bugs in equal quantity or severity? No. As a developer, I'm well-aware of not only this but varying reputations among developers for that reason. It's not my intent to bash, but this IS a Cakewalk forum. Where else better to air grievances but here, without Cakewalk support having to be in direct communication? Also, other DAWs have demos. It's easy to compare basic features and see if they work or not, and how well they work. It's also easy to compare ASIO driver functionality in a very direct fashion. This is in-part the point and benefit of demos, I suspect. Believe me, I want to see Cakewalk succeed, and my unbridled criticism is the best thing they can ask for because if I keep it to myself, what good is that? I'd want to know if a long-term customer were giving up on my product too. As a developer, you wouldn't catch me having a forum this bad either and I would never make excuses for it unless it were simply not fixable, but given that other forums work with Firefox, it's clearly a Cakewalk problem. They're either too careless to fix it or too cheap to get license a better forum technology like VBulletin for their purposes. Even a free SMF forum works very nicely with FireFox, so this lack of a carriage-return is inexcusable sloppiness (kinda like aspects of X2). Even the menu at the end of a post isn't well thought-out because it's unnecessary. All submitted posts should take you back to your post by default. Believe me, I am JUST AS HARD on a company I work with or for if they have such terrible functionality or bugs. So, this may sound annoying to some of you, but my intent is to wake Cakewalk up before I take my leave, because having them quietly lose a customer of over 20+ years should come with an explanation. It's a courtesy, even if it comes off as bashing. I also think Cakewalk needs to be much closer attention to quality-control, even at the expense of features. For instance, when I turn off mic-monitoring, I shouldn't have to turn it off and on and off again to get it to go off. Little things like that just annoy the user. When I go to advance step-record and it wants to rename my track, that basically breaks step-record, at least for those using the QWERTY keyboard to advance time.
2012/10/08 13:13:43
FastBikerBoy
I use FireFox because it suppresses tool-tips in Facebook and browses as well as anything else out there. It's a feature thing, not because Chrome or IE are broken.
 
While I agree the forum software could certainly do with an update, rather than writing a wall of text that few can be bothered to read why don't you simply install IE Tab and default the forum to it? At least your complaints/problems would be readable. I think it takes about 30 seconds or so.
2012/10/08 13:34:03
sharke
To be honest the whining about the forum just seems so unnecessary. I can't imagine the quality of a product's forum having any bearing whatsoever upon whether or not I continued to use that product. 

Yes the forum software is a little old and Firefox seems to choke on it. But for heaven's sake dude just use another browser to view it. Any tech-savvy, web-savvy person will have 2 or more browsers installed on their computer in case a site gives them problems in a particular browser. I personally use Chrome and Firefox - mainly Chrome, but occasionally Firefox when a site's giving me trouble in Chrome. It's absolutely no trouble at all. You just click the icon for the browser and then load the page. What's the big deal? No point whining that "you shouldn't have to." The web is imperfect and we sometimes have to use different tools to navigate it. Get over it. 

As for Firefox "suppressing Facebook tooltips" I don't even know what you're talking about. I see no difference in Facebook behavior between Firefox and Chrome. If you want to customize your Facebook experience then just install Social Fixer, you can tailor it to your exact specifications. 

I've used a few DAW's (along with their associated forums) and I really haven't noticed Sonar having any more problems than the others. Doesn't matter which DAW you use, if you browse the forums you will find people who are having no problems and people who are frustrated every step of the way. The thing about forums though is that by their nature they tend to attract people who are having problems - that's why they turned to the forum in the first place. You're forgetting that the vast majority of Sonar users never even post on this forum. You cannot judge a DAW by the number of people on its forum who are having problems, because that number is innately skewed to begin with. 

Of course Sonar has its problems. I believe that software in general is not tested sufficiently, and is not designed carefully enough. Every day I wrestle with bugs and design flaws in just about everything I use. I wouldn't single out Sonar though. For me, it's giving me far less problems than Pro Tools, supposedly the "industry standard," which choked and crashed and behaved annoyingly every time I used it. 
2012/10/08 13:55:16
SteveGriffiths
If you can't be bothered to even take steps to make your messages readable after being given multiple options to do so, why should anyone here in this unpaid peer group bother to even give you the time of day?

You can Google, find, install and run Chrome in under a minute.  You would rather spend far more time ranting.

There are bugs in X2.  No-one is disputing that.  Some have been addressed, some are reported and will be addressed, most have workarounds and some only affect specific conditions.

In addition to a specific reproducible issue with the Pro Channel I do have occasional crashes in X2.  However, I am running Second Life, Office, Outlook, Skype, Chrome, a remote VPN to work and Google talk.  In other words it is my own fault.  FOr serious work I reboot onto a DAW specific partition and guess what - acknowledged issues aside - everything works.

A coupe of decades ago I agree that software was less buggy.  However delivery schedules slipped again and again and again, enough to create the term "vaporware".  Software is also much much cheaper.  Something had to give.

What doesn't need to change is common courtesy.  When I ask for help here I get it.  When I can contribute something  useful I do so.  You should at least take the (proven many times over) to present your problems in a readable form. Frankly I don't care if you are as old as dirt and used the internet when it was steam powered (Indirectly is is still steam powered). 

Rant off

Cheers

Grif

<hint>  This is where a list of equipment / OS info would go if it is pertinent to your post - which it is </hint>
 
2012/10/08 20:58:18
wr
  FWIW - I tried IE Tab and all it did was freeze Firefox when I tried to use it here, and once I got past that, it slowed general browsing to a crawl. And it displayed more bad manners by refusing to stay disabled. So I removed it, and will just use some other browser here if I really need to. It's not that big of deal to me, nor it is anything new - there are several other sites where I have to switch browsers, too.
2012/10/09 00:39:12
CakeFan
FWIW, I feel for the OP... to a degree.  I sometimes wonder why Cake literally IGNORES certain issues (probably the biggest lately is COLOR issues)....

BUT, I'm consistently blown-away by how "complete" Sonar is and if that's considered bloat-ware, so be it.  I go back to Cakewalk ProAudio 3, Built several RYO overclocked celeron 300MHz cranked up to 450 MHz just hoping to get 8 tracks of audio (forget reverb)...

I think Sonar X2 is pretty darn awesome!

Maybe a Powerful Mac with any of the big mac sequencers is the answer for the OP.  Just sayin'... it would remove the hardware issues from the equation.

2012/10/09 01:27:48
mudgel
I"ve just moved from an iPhone 4 to a Samsung Galaxy SII and I can't activate the typing dialog box to enter a comment. I can log in OK and use every other forum as usuual; except this one. After I've logged in I can't add any text whatsover.

As I mostly access this forum from my phone I guess I wont be here that much anymore.
2012/10/09 05:18:10
Pdunford
Hhhmmmmmm, Xeon cpu's.    i know they should work but 30 years in IT tells me to only use them for servers, not specialist audio or graphical apps. X2 is running great on my 4gb / core duo e6850.   Only minor bugs, no showstoppers or even close.   Don't suppose you have a spare non Xeon machine to a fresh install on?
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