• SONAR
  • X1/X2 Respond slowly after Idle [Solved]
2012/10/14 17:13:18
Keni
Any thoughts?
 
Both X1 and X2 (x86 and x64) all exhibit this...
 
If I load a song it plays responsively... wait a few minutes still fine... try a longer wait and Uh-Oh!
 
First nothing happens, then I get a Not Responding message, then the message disappears and finally the song starts to play...
 
I tested this using another DAW app (S1Two) and it doesn't do this... what might be causing the cakewalk apps to do this?
 
Thanks...
Keni
 
2012/10/14 18:28:50
jm24
Hard disk has slept

Background tasks: indexing, superfetching,...

virus scan

page file cleaning

check scheduled tasks for those awaiting for no-user-activity

on the potty
2012/10/14 18:35:04
robert_e_bone
Yup - you have some tweaks to make for your system.

1.  Is it a desktop? Laptop? Crew Cut?  Comb Over?  (Perhaps you can list your system specs in your signature - just go to the forum profile and add them - it REALLY helps us helpers.
2.  What OS?  64-bit or 32?
3.  What's your shoe size?  Favorite color?

I will list out some things for you to tweak that will help your computer not get hypnotized and fall asleep on you.  It's pretty simple stuff, and will fix this issue - I just need about 15 minutes to finish helping someone from Poland who is trying to finish something before they go to sleep or get invaded or whatever is going on over there - I DO know it is getting late for them.

Bob Bone
2012/10/14 19:34:48
Keni
robert_e_bone


Yup - you have some tweaks to make for your system.

1.  Is it a desktop? Laptop? Crew Cut?  Comb Over?  (Perhaps you can list your system specs in your signature - just go to the forum profile and add them - it REALLY helps us helpers.
2.  What OS?  64-bit or 32?
3.  What's your shoe size?  Favorite color?

I will list out some things for you to tweak that will help your computer not get hypnotized and fall asleep on you.  It's pretty simple stuff, and will fix this issue - I just need about 15 minutes to finish helping someone from Poland who is trying to finish something before they go to sleep or get invaded or whatever is going on over there - I DO know it is getting late for them.

Bob Bone

Thanks Guyz...
 
I've got so little running here (according to task manager) that I don't see anything to turn off... I have disabled (set to never) all power save options... No anti-virus software installed... Indexing turned off... Maybe the potty? ;-)
 
Bob... Here's the info you requested...
 
1. Desktop -  Can't change my signature to include my specs... Problems with the forum's software. No matter how much I delete of my current sig, it tells me I've still got too many... Right down to nothing but my name... so I can't change any options... <sigh>...
 
2. MacPro runnng Win7Pro x64 Under Bootcamp - Dual Xeon Quad Processors - 16GB RAM - Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL (USB) running ASIO.... All works fine except in Sonar... Studio1 Two doesn't do this...
 
3.  8 - 8.5 / Black
 
 
BTW... Task Manager shows 00 CPU activity for the 11 processes running...
 
Thanks... with all your help I'm slowly getting this new machine to a cool performance level.... right now I can run projects without freezing and barely see mu cores working at 1.3ms.... ;-)
 
Keni
 
Keni
 
2012/10/14 19:52:53
robert_e_bone
I think it does not like all the links, but thanks for the specs.

I do not know anything much about bootcamp and Macs, but here is the deal on what we were talking about.

Windows has default settings for things like balancing power needs and conserving power, and all of that.  For laptops there is sense in that, but not for us POWER users.

What is happening is that the defaults in Windows are set to turn off things like your hard drive, or your monitor, or both, after some number of minutes.  It will also go inter hibernate mode, and that sort of thing.

When it does this, it has to fire it all back up again, and when you are in something like a web browser, that's not a big deal.  But, if you are in something like Sonar, it has to load all of that stuff back into memory, and that can be a ridiculous amount of stuff, hence the nutty slow downs.

So, the thing to do is to tell Windows NOT to do all that.

There are a couple of places you want to go and make some tweaks:

1.  Go to: Control Panel\System and Security\Power Options.  Once there, click on High Performance.
2.  Now, to the right of that click on the link to Change Plan Settings
3.  When that opens up, you should see it set to NEVER for both Turning Off the Display and for Put the Computer to Sleep.
4.  Click on Change Advanced Power Settings - that will open up another dialog box
5.  Click on the + sign next to where it says Hard Disk.
6.  Click on the + sign next to Turn Off Hard Disk After
7.  Enter 999 for the Setting.  This means it will not turn of the hard disk until 999 minutes with no activity.
8.  Click Apply and back your way out of everything - clicking Apply anytime you see it enabled to click.

That should do it.  Now your computer will stay awake as long as you do - maybe even longer.

Bob Bone

2012/10/14 21:20:33
jm24
When did you first notice this?
Always the same project?
Drinking the same amount before testing?

I mostly suspect disk spin-down.

Could be a BIOS power setting: CPU (speedstep), disk,...

I suspect something sorta strange. But could be some of the windows stuffing:
Reveiw the Task scheduler:
 most of the diagnosis, analysis, media center, disk defrag, stuff,.. is set for odd times.

And::: Power stuff: 0 disables forever.


2012/10/14 21:25:08
jm24
Priority should NOT be set to Background Processes for Sonar: ASIO runs as a daughter process.

Reading some more: I now think it is some issue with the bootcamp. First look at the MAC stuff and then how to make sure bootcamp is way happy.

Us windows only guys prolly can't help you.

2012/10/14 21:42:31
Keni
robert_e_bone


I think it does not like all the links, but thanks for the specs.

I do not know anything much about bootcamp and Macs, but here is the deal on what we were talking about.

Windows has default settings for things like balancing power needs and conserving power, and all of that.  For laptops there is sense in that, but not for us POWER users.

What is happening is that the defaults in Windows are set to turn off things like your hard drive, or your monitor, or both, after some number of minutes.  It will also go inter hibernate mode, and that sort of thing.

When it does this, it has to fire it all back up again, and when you are in something like a web browser, that's not a big deal.  But, if you are in something like Sonar, it has to load all of that stuff back into memory, and that can be a ridiculous amount of stuff, hence the nutty slow downs.

So, the thing to do is to tell Windows NOT to do all that.

There are a couple of places you want to go and make some tweaks:

1.  Go to: Control Panel\System and Security\Power Options.  Once there, click on High Performance.
2.  Now, to the right of that click on the link to Change Plan Settings
3.  When that opens up, you should see it set to NEVER for both Turning Off the Display and for Put the Computer to Sleep.
4.  Click on Change Advanced Power Settings - that will open up another dialog box
5.  Click on the + sign next to where it says Hard Disk.
6.  Click on the + sign next to Turn Off Hard Disk After
7.  Enter 999 for the Setting.  This means it will not turn of the hard disk until 999 minutes with no activity.
8.  Click Apply and back your way out of everything - clicking Apply anytime you see it enabled to click.

That should do it.  Now your computer will stay awake as long as you do - maybe even longer.

Bob Bone


Hi Bob...

I guess I didn't express myself well...

I have all power saving options turned off (set to never) and have all indexing and the likes disabled... I have not disabled all the graphic "pretties" as the machine has more than enough power both unto itself and the graphics card to handle it...

... and I don't think it's any of these options as other DAW software on the machine (S1Two) does not do this... Only the Sonar programs... So I'm wondering if it has to do with Delay compensation or Buffer size somewhere? Things that can be set/changed within Sonar...

Thanks again...
Keni

2012/10/14 21:47:51
Keni
jm24


When did you first notice this?

 Since installing Sonar on this machine

Always the same project?

No... It happens with any project

Drinking the same amount before testing?

No, I continue to drink more as the problem continues...

I mostly suspect disk spin-down.

Could be a BIOS power setting: CPU (speedstep), disk,...

I suspect something sorta strange. But could be some of the windows stuffing:
Reveiw the Task scheduler:
 most of the diagnosis, analysis, media center, disk defrag, stuff,.. is set for odd times.

And::: Power stuff: 0 disables forever.

Priority is not set to background either...

As I stated in my previous message, I have all power settings set to Never... No drive sleep, No Monitor sleep... Indexing Disabled etc.... and I say again...

This is not happening in Studio1Two which I also have installed on this machine. So I truly doubt it's a windows setting or Bootcamp... I believe it's something in Sonar and I have it set the same for all 4 versions (64/32 of X1 and X2)

Thanks...
Keni



2012/10/14 22:28:26
jm24
I was sorta poking the dark.

All versions of Sonar?
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