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2012/10/16 00:42:39
bradstrongproject
First off just to explain myself, I use Sonar for recreational, soon to (hopefully) be professional music production.  I don't use any outside instruments besides a Access Virus TI.  I mainly use softsynths.  I have used Sonar for over 5 years and do enjoy it, I've learned it quite well and like what I can create with it, besides a lacking feeling of control of my sounds.  On a side note I use Reason Re-Wire on occasion, this was my main program before I got into Sonar.

That being said.  My concern is when I find any sort of "showdown" between the "top" DAW's I never see Sonar listed.  It's always Logic, Ableton, and/or Reason(6.5 mainly).  Coming from my POV I would consider Sonar to be a part of this "top tier list" but not many other people seem to think the same as me.  

Am I truly missing out on the potential of Logic and/or Albeton?  Granted this can be opinionated but if the majority seems to find those two to be where its at.  I am starting to doubt myself.

Thanks in Advance!
2012/10/16 01:32:08
sharke
Best thing you can do is try the demos of those programs (where available). If you peruse the music tech forums like Gearslutz I think you'll find that Sonar is spoken very highly of among seasoned DAW users. I've heard Mac users lament that no Mac version is available, put it that way. 

They all have their ups and downs. With regard to the "top" DAW's, a lot of their "top" status has to do with how popular they are. Things like Abelton and Reason have more street cred than Sonar, mainly because they are known to be used by big names in the world of electronic music. It's kind of like back in the day when most producers used Atari ST's in their studios. You could do exactly the same thing with an Amiga, but the Atari name became synonymous with music production more so than the Amiga, so that was that - nearly every hobbyist went for the Atari over the Amiga. Same thing with Macs versus PC's in the graphic design world.

To me, Sonar is an ideal balance of audio recording and MIDI sequencing. Abelton and Reason are more geared toward MIDI, while Pro Tools has always kind of lagged behind in the MIDI stakes but is more used for audio. I used Pro Tools for a while and it sucks compared to Sonar, despite being the "industry standard." Sonar seems to be the best of both worlds. But it depends on what kind of music you're into. I've heard it said that Sonar's automation capabilities aren't fully up to the task of producing Dubstep, for instance, but I don't quite know what that means. 

You could also try watching a few YouTube tutorial videos for each DAW, get an idea of the workflow and figure out what the advantages of each one are. 


2012/10/16 07:48:34
Mystic38
Ableton is arguably the most popular DAW for one reason.. it a a great platform for the live playing of loops... if this is not a feature you need there are several DAW more capable than Ableton...and it has its issues, for example..it does not support record automation for h/w synths.. a key component in the way i produce...where an osc control may be an nrpn

Each and every DAW has its plus's and minus's.. and a visit to other forums is the best place to learn of the *foibles* of each system... and tbh, even though I am frustated at a couple of things with Sonar, say i jumped to a DAW that had VST3 and multi-track automation support for VST (so that automation for Virus parts is linked to the appropriate tracks)...it would take me far longer to get up to speed on that DAW..then only to find that something i took for granted in Sonar is missing there.... so no, for me the grass isnt greener...
2012/10/16 08:27:47
Bristol_Jonesey
Am I truly missing out on the potential of Logic and/or Albeton?


IMHO - No!

But it's your call.
2012/10/16 08:48:44
garrigus
sharke
music. It's kind of like back in the day when most producers used Atari ST's in their studios. You could do exactly the same thing with an Amiga, but the Atari name became synonymous with music production more so than the Amiga, so that was that - nearly every hobbyist went for the Atari over the Amiga.
Atari's built-in MIDI ports also had a lot to do with it. I still have my Atari 520ST system and it still works! 


Scott

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2012/10/16 12:37:05
bradstrongproject
Thank you for the responses, I played with Ableton a bit last night and it looks like its aimed more towards live performances, but then again I haven't dug that deep.
2012/10/16 12:53:14
stoutlyric
The new automation lanes and resolving all of the bugs in copying and pasting automation now make Sonar X2 a much better tool for dubstep production.
2012/10/16 14:45:51
CJaysMusic
Am I truly missing out?

To each their own. you can have the best wife and your as happy as a maggot on a dead water buffalo. But then you start wondering if their is a better one out there. Its human nature. The only way for you to truly know is to try both of them.


Everyone has the grass is greener complex and sometimes it is, but most of the time its not (in my actual experiences)


CJ




2012/10/16 15:10:34
Bristol_Jonesey
Wise words from Mr J
2012/10/16 18:14:48
bradstrongproject
Well said.  Thanks
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