• SONAR
  • X2 - Piano Roll - Cannot select notes (p.2)
2012/10/14 15:39:39
swamptooth
2012/10/14 15:46:33
FastBikerBoy
Thanks swamptooth, that fixes the problem but it must be a bug or at the very least unexpected behaviour.

If notes are visible in the PRV they should be editable regardless of what the default clip editor is set to, shouldn't they?
2012/10/14 15:49:10
swamptooth
Nope, because step sequencer is a separate interface. You would have to bounce the clip down and then convert it to a step sequencer clip.  SS has parameters like flam amount and swing time that are included in clips that aren't a part of standard midi clips.
2012/10/14 17:06:35
Tripecac
Interesting...

This project was for testing drum-related features in X2. I first recorded both test clips via MIDI, and then started experimenting with drum maps and the step sequencer. I guess I forgot to set the default (double-click) editor for the second clip back to piano roll.

I'm relieved that there is a workaround. However, it seems really strange that the choice of default editor has the odd side effect of preventing edits in the other editors (at least the piano roll).

I think this is a bug rather than a desired feature, because there doesn't seem to be any advantage in preventing edits in editor A if editor B is the default editor. That would be like preventing edits in the Event List if the Piano Roll is the default editor, and Sonar has never worked that way.
2012/10/14 17:33:46
swamptooth
the thing with the step sequencer though is that it IS its own default editor because it saves so much unique metadata about the midi tracks. this is how step sequencer data has worked forever afaik.  you've never been able to edit notes in a step sequencer clip via the piano roll. 
try this... open x1 or 8.5.3 and make a new step sequencer clip.  loop it 5 or 6 times. then open the track in piano roll.  all you will see in prv is the first series of notes but none of the loops and none of them are able to be edited.  
2012/10/14 17:41:28
FastBikerBoy
swamptooth


Nope, because step sequencer is a separate interface. You would have to bounce the clip down and then convert it to a step sequencer clip.  SS has parameters like flam amount and swing time that are included in clips that aren't a part of standard midi clips.

I understand that and I'm now beginning to doubt my sanity because when I first opened the project, I could have sworn it was all one MIDI clip. Since re opening I can now see two clips one MIDI and one SS which explains it completely but I'm sure there was only one MIDI clip before hence my confusion. Either that or I was so zoomed in on it I could only see one.
 
@tripecac - was there only one clip or did I dream that part?
 
2012/10/14 17:45:26
swamptooth
i'm kinda bummed that they took the step sequencer icon off the top left of step sequencer clips. now i have no idea if they are or not. :/
2012/10/14 17:51:18
FastBikerBoy
I think what happened to me is I clicked on the 'B' notes in the PRV shifting the now time to the B clip and drawing a note at the same time. As my TV is fairly zoomed in the now time had shifted to that clip so I assumed* they were all in one clip.

That's why I never picked up on the step sequencer clip. It is a little harder to tell now as although the clip edges are rounded there is no other indication that it is a SS clip and you are correct it has always been that you can't edit SS data in the PRV. Just previously it was a little easier to tell it was SS data.

Oh well,  live and learn... 

*bad idea - never assume always check
2012/10/14 18:07:47
FastBikerBoy
Okay I lied..... The indicator in the top right hand corner of a SS clip is slightly different to a regular MIDI clip, just not as obvious as the older indicator.
2012/10/14 20:17:40
swamptooth
oh man... duh moment. lol.
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