Transcending Music


Here's another method of A/B'ing that also ensures latency free, glitch free listening and for comparison's sake, that is what you want. Just bounce to a stereo mix each rendition. So, dry/unaffected, then Neve version, so on and so forth. Then group/invert solo each one versus the dry, then you can do them against each other as well. 

Ah yes, and check out Dean's shootout! 

Hi Bob, nice to run into you again (so to speak).
Shootout is such a strong word. Brief and almost entirely unscientific comparison? Passing stab at trying to spot differences? Oooh, how about entirely circumstantial but hopefully mildly illustrative demonstration? :)

As for placement in the Pro Channel, my take is here in a remarkably similar thread:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2669435

Dean

Razorwit

Transcending Music


Here's another method of A/B'ing that also ensures latency free, glitch free listening and for comparison's sake, that is what you want. Just bounce to a stereo mix each rendition. So, dry/unaffected, then Neve version, so on and so forth. Then group/invert solo each one versus the dry, then you can do them against each other as well. 

Ah yes, and check out Dean's shootout! 

Hi Bob, nice to run into you again (so to speak).
Shootout is such a strong word. Brief and almost entirely unscientific comparison? Passing stab at trying to spot differences? Oooh, how about entirely circumstantial but hopefully mildly illustrative demonstration? :)

As for placement in the Pro Channel, my take is here in a remarkably similar thread:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2669435

Dean

Hey Dean, haha fair enough, that was written more in haste, so let me modify: "shootout", emphasis on the quotes. You know I am sort of accustomed now to what X2 emu does so even in a more or less "unscientific" comparison I am still picking out what it is doing. 


By the way, thanks for posting your post about signal flow. I think you brought up a good point that just reminded me, which is about sends. A channel emu could absolutely be used on a send channel. But to cover any post emu channel's effects that are acting as inserts after the ch. emu in the pro channel bin  or in the classic FX bin, that can certainly be handled upstream just as with an analog flow, at the bus emu found on the respective bus (once again, placed first ) But I think to emulate the signal flow, if one were to consider these emu's actual emulations, that using the channel first across all channels, and the bus first across all buses covers that aspect.

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  I didn't say they didn't know what they are talking about just that they did not research all the info at the detail level I did to notice conflicting info. The manual recommends to put it first. Apart from the manual what information would you think was more likely correct? I mean If you can't trust the product manual to be correct what do you trust?

I'm just curious what deep level research you've been doing.   Reading the manual?  I imagine Seth, Brandon and Noel were involved along X2's development.  They've been using X2 for quite a while, I suspect, don't you?
 
As for trusting the manual, have you actually read it?  I think not, or you wouldn't say this.  There are several mistakes.  I'm not surprised.  Manuals are the last thing to worry about in the development process - last minute changes etc.  I was surprised it was out so soon.  X1 took ages until the PDF arrived.
 
Please fill us in on your deep research so that I, Seth, Brandon, Noel, the ProChannel Preset Designers et al, can learn something about X2.
 
 

Hey folks, there really is no "right" or "wrong" way to use these fx.  There are too many variables to prescribe just one method for everyone.  Not to mention that what might be best for one project might not be so good for another, even for the same mixer.
 
But here's the fun part:  you can put them wherever you want and see what happens.  Double or triple them up!  Mix and match!  Put one flavor first in the chain and another last!  Play with the controls!  Try the Channel module on a Bus and vice versa!  Go crazy!  The possible combinations are endless.  Stop when you hear something you really like.  Or, if things get too muddied up, back off a bit. 
 
I have used VCC, NLS, and StripBus.  Compared to those, the CW emus are pretty subtle and nothing revolutionary.  But I love all these analoguers -- they have the potential to make ITB mixes sound more like real studio recordings.  They can be used as a distortion effect, if that's what you're after.  They can also ruin a mix if overused.  Point is, there are no rules -- you can use them in the way that sounds best to you.  Experimentation will eventually lead to good results for each project -- it'll be worth the time and effort.  Have fun!
 
Cheers,
Eddie

Eddie TX


Hey folks, there really is no "right" or "wrong" way to use these fx.  There are too many variables to prescribe just one method for everyone.  Not to mention that what might be best for one project might not be so good for another, even for the same mixer.
 
But here's the fun part:  you can put them wherever you want and see what happens.  Double or triple them up!  Mix and match!  Put one flavor first in the chain and another last!  Play with the controls!  Try the Channel module on a Bus and vice versa!  Go crazy!  The possible combinations are endless.  Stop when you hear something you really like.  Or, if things get too muddied up, back off a bit. 
 
I have used VCC, NLS, and StripBus.  Compared to those, the CW emus are pretty subtle and nothing revolutionary.  But I love all these analoguers -- they have the potential to make ITB mixes sound more like real studio recordings.  They can be used as a distortion effect, if that's what you're after.  They can also ruin a mix if overused.  Point is, there are no rules -- you can use them in the way that sounds best to you.  Experimentation will eventually lead to good results for each project -- it'll be worth the time and effort.  Have fun!
 
Cheers,
Eddie

+1 to experimentation.

I would think that if you are recording, you'll want it first in the chain. If you are mixing or mastering you'd want it last in the chain. Basically, you want to emulate the chain of gear you'd be going through to record or mix down. The settings would change depending upon the task, and so would the order of the "signal processors"-effects. 

There is no right or wrong way to use it. We had to pick one for the default templates and putting it at the end seemed the best to get just the console emulation without the potential for exaggerating the effect.

BTW the fact that you cant quick grouping enable/diable for all tracks and buses simultaneously will be addressed in the next update.

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk
]

There is no right or wrong way to use it. We had to pick one for the default templates and putting it at the end seemed the best to get just the console emulation without the potential for exaggerating the effect.

BTW the fact that you cant quick grouping enable/diable for all tracks and buses simultaneously will be addressed in the next update.

Thanks for popping in, Noel.
 
I'm glad the quick group for Bus and Tracks simultaniously will be addressed.  It's not something I think I've noticed before I wanted to A/B the Console Emulation types.  I thought I might be missing something.

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk
]

BTW the fact that you cant quick grouping enable/diable for all tracks and buses simultaneously will be addressed in the next update. 

YAY!!!

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk
]

There is no right or wrong way to use it. We had to pick one for the default templates and putting it at the end seemed the best to get just the console emulation without the potential for exaggerating the effect.

BTW the fact that you cant quick grouping enable/disable for all tracks and buses simultaneously will be addressed in the next update.

Thank you!