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2017/11/11 12:48:05
bluebeat1313
Hi fellows. Can somebody please point me to the right direction or perhaps solve my riddle?

I am using Sonar Home Studio, more or less current, bought it less than a year ago.
I use it as mobile setup with touchscreen Surface tablet. I am having an issue when tracking...

When I bought it, Sonar worked like this: If I am recording multiple takes  on a single track, each time I would press stop, mute take newly recorded take and press record button again, it would create a new separate "take" lane  and newly recorded clip would go there.. ONE clip per lane.

 
Recently it started driving me mad. It starts out, normally, One clip per take lane....first take, second take etc..., and then suddenly it starts to add newly recorded clips to previous track lanes.... for example, clip that is #12 (end of song) would go to track take lane number 1 which contains beginning... 
 
I hope I am being clear on what is happening. I am using a combination of touchscreen and mouse when recording. Am I pressing something or Sonar decided to give up on me? Kindly help.
 
Thank you for your time.
2017/11/11 13:58:35
Zargg
Hi, and welcome to this forum. If I misunderstand what you are saying, sorry.
I believe this is as intended (as of quite recently), as it does take use of empty spaces in take lanes, to save screen estate. Example: 40 takes on 40 lanes on the verse. If you have 4 verses, you would have 160 take lanes.
It is only supposed to re use empty places in take lanes.
Hope it helps.
All the best.
2017/11/11 14:06:15
Sylvan
Yes, as Ken pointed out, this behavior is intended and VERY welcomed (at least by me.) This cleans things up so much better; such as in the example Ken gave above.
 
For the workflow you are trying adhere to, perhaps making new tracks for each section would serve you well. For example: Verse 1 could be a track with all your takes for Verse 1 in it. Then verse 2 would be a new track with all your takes for verse 2 in that. Furthermore you could organize groups of tracks in Folders as well.
2017/11/11 14:21:25
bluebeat1313
Thanks, but it is not what I am trying to accomplish. I know of workarounds, but what I am saying that sometimes it creates a new take lanes and sometimes it does not. Let me give you this scenario. I record 3 takes, mute first one. Then record 4th take and it goes to muted track number 1, so now I have to find and locate which one is muted. For those who like it neat, they could make as many tracks as they want, no questions there, but as far as automation goes of adding additional takes on record...I believe it is there, just maybe I am pressing something incorrectly. As I mentioned sometimes it would create take, sometimes it would not. Please let me know if there is a fix. Thank you
2017/11/11 14:25:08
Zargg
Instead of muting the take lane, mark the clip, and press "K". That will mute the clip, not the lane itself.
 
2017/11/11 14:45:39
bluebeat1313
Thanks, but Sorry, I feel this thread getting to other places, not initial question. I will try to re phrase it. The base of the question is automatically adding take lane on each stop/record action. Sometimes it does it, sometimes it does not. I want to find the cause of it.
2017/11/11 15:20:06
ChazEd
This behavior was added in Sonar's February Update:
 
Comping Enhancements
February 2017
Comping doesn't have to be a repetitive, mundane chore--the SONAR 2017.02 update makes it faster, easier, and more efficient than ever to assemble the best parts of multiple takes into finished, killer tracks.
  • SONAR re-uses empty lanes when comp recording, so projects are more compact and easier to edit
  • SONAR automatically hides muted takes - takes you likely didn’t want to hear - when you collapse the takes into a track
  • Double-click to maximize / restore Take lanes - easy in, easy out!
  • When comping with Melodyne, cropping clips updates the region shown in Melodyne’s window--SONAR’s advanced ARA (Audio Random Access) integration makes it possible
 
I don't know if you can change this behavior.
2017/11/11 16:20:12
bluebeat1313
Not sure how to understand this.."re-uses empty lanes" if it HAS something in the lane, it is not emty. If I am recording a vocal phrase, I would record it several times and then audition each, to see which better suits the composition... in this scenario it just creates havoc.
2017/11/11 20:13:18
bluebeat1313
I guess nobody knows if the wonderful new feature can be turned off. Another question please. Is there a way to downgrade? To get the version that I had prior to this extra smart feature update that thinks it knows where you want to record new take?
2017/11/11 21:00:07
Sylvan
No, you cannot turn that wonderful, most welcomed feature off. If you want to "downgrade" as you say, open your Command Center, "Right-click" on SONAR and "roll back" to whatever version you like.
 
However, I would strongly encourage you to keep an open mind on your workflow. With a slight adjustment to your method, you could see the massive benefits that this much more logical, cleaner approach is granting us SONAR users. Perhaps you could be even more efficient if you tried some different things using this streamlined method and might even think "why did I do it this way for so long."
 
Just trying to be helpful. There has to be some reason that this feature was implemented and some reason why I and many others welcomed it with open arms (and open minds.) I could never do multiple takes the old way after experiencing that massive improvement the current method affords.
 
Hope you find the benefits that many others have. Let us know... 
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