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  • Sonar track Take lanes and clips.... Please help. (p.2)
2017/11/11 23:17:02
bluebeat1313
Sylvan, thank you for downgrade advice and for encouragement. Yes, I will try to make use of this feature with open heart and mind as you suggested :)
 
I am just pissed that it is not even an option anymore.  Sometimes I might have 80+ takes in 20 seconds of song... I do not want to have 80 separate tracks for that :) I guess the easiest approach would be to "add new take" manually every time and arm that specific take. This new feature makes this complicated by adding a few hundred extra mouse clicks per song. My tablet does not have physical keyboard and they (Sonar team) specifically advertised this as "TOUCH FRIENDLY" product, that was the main reason why I bought it. This automation of adding takes automatically was very useful for tablets when tracking. At least they could of left the option to have it manually switchable the other way.
 
I used Cakewalk products for many years, but for basic stuff. I remember few years back I ran into complication, I called, they answered and resolved. Now there is no phone#...  A week ago I received email reply answer from customer support at Sonar that I sent in March. I am not kidding. It took them 7 (seven!) MONTH to reply. I think that is the longest I ever waited for a question to be answered. I will keep this email, and maybe one day print it out and send to CEO of customer relations at Gibson or Roland or whoever owns Sonar now for Christmas. Sure it will make a great fridge magnet decal :)
 
But on the other hand, I am glad that this community is alive and helpful. 
 
Thank you!!!
 
2017/11/11 23:38:20
jpetersen
I'm not clear what is happening.
Is the muted recorded material wiped out and being overwritten with the new audio?
2017/11/12 00:00:47
bluebeat1313
Not sure... I am using "sound on sound" mode and when recording many takes, some of them get recorded to previously muted tracks. I can unmute them of course, but when working with many takes, it complicates things greatly because of the material that is written in different places of one take lane.
2017/11/12 11:22:44
jpetersen
It should be immediately obvious if the audio of a previously recorded lane has been deleted and replaced.
In what way are you not sure?
2017/11/12 12:47:11
bluebeat1313
Jpeterson, not sure if you are asking a question or trying to answer mine. I believe it got off topic. Topic was: automatically creating new take lanes when record / stop button is pressed. Seems people here did not like that option and welcomed a new version of tracking... I believe I see the reason why some welcomed new feature. But my goals are a bit different.
2017/11/12 14:27:53
PeteL
bluebeat1313
Not sure... I am using "sound on sound" mode and when recording many takes, some of them get recorded to previously muted tracks. I can unmute them of course, but when working with many takes, it complicates things greatly because of the material that is written in different places of one take lane.


Sound on Sound? Isn't it Comping record mode that accomplishes what you want? Sound on Sound will indeed place new clips over old ones.
2017/11/12 16:05:30
bluebeat1313
 "Sound on Sound will indeed place new clips over old ones." Yes and no. They will be recorded (was like that..) on SEPARATE take tracks every time stop/record button was pressed. So you can either play/sing along with that lane, mute it, use part of it of many other neat things on the fly. "Sound on Sound" is what I need/interested in in this topic, I know there are other modes, but I have no interest in them.
As of right now with "magical" update it can take newly recorded clip and place it in previously "MUTED" take track, just because it has space, not because I want it there.
 
The only solution I found was manually creating a "new take lane" and arm it (that specific take lane) 
Again, I am familiar with workarounds, but that is not something I want.
 
If there is no solution except for what I described  (creating a "new take lane" and arm that specific take lane) or downgrading to the point when this was by default. 
Maybe some Pros here will tell me if creating of automation is possible.... Meaning making a specific command button that by pressing it creates new take lane and arms it, in one mouse click.
 
When working on track, sometimes I do over 100 takes, it would save a lot of "mousing" around time :)
 
Thanks.
2017/11/12 17:22:08
chuckebaby
 
 

If you enable a track’s Expand/collapse Take Lanes button, SONAR moves the track’s clips to separate lanes whenever any of the following happens:

-You use loop recording in Comping or Sound on Sound mode, and choose to store takes in a single track.
-You record over some pre-existing data while in Sound on Sound mode.
-The track contains at least one overlapping clip


 
 
2017/11/12 18:08:46
bluebeat1313
, I do understand the newly implemented logic. 
But that logic does not suit my needs. They should have at least kept it as an option.
 
I think it is understandable why somebody would want ONE clip in ONE take lane without any other bells and whistles like automatic clip placements in random places or recording into muted take lanes, besides me. Features are good when they are features...not dictated in such manner.
 
My quest in downgrading was not successful as probably I had original version initially (early 2016) on PC prior to upgrading. Should not have upgraded. At least it would last for few years as it was... Hopefully,  people at Sonar will give me the original version that I bought.  
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