Jimbo 88


you guys,  just a warning.  I mentioned Staff View as a joke (although I'd like to see it improved)......


Prepare for an onslaught from the non-staffers

No worries - there is an entire thread dedicated to the lack of any mention of SV improvement in X2.  However, we have not seen the 2nd teaser yet... <crosses fingers>
 
Among staffers, there are feelings ranging from disappointment to anger, but this is not intended for consumption by non-staffers - I don't think they have anything to fear.
 
 

Not to be a downer...but.....I'm still traumatized from the X1 experience! That was "HORRIBLE" to say the least...and I've been with Cakewalk since Cakewalk 3. I can't forget the frustration from all those bugs In X1.. in comparison to Sonar 8.05PE. Umm...I seriously suggest the Bakers release a Demo version before I even think about upgrading. I'm not about to have my creativity stifled again because you guys need to make a buck!

What happened with X1 was expected as far as I am
concerned. When you touch the Core engine you are
asking for trouble and in this day in age (I'm older, thus
from the old sw development cycle) which has an Alpha,
Beta, Ship cycle the user robustness testing is actually done
by the customer.

in my opinion in this "if it's not downloadable for free I don't
want it" modern mentality it's ok but for us all who are whiling
to pay it bugs me a lot. This is not a CW specific problem. It's
the entire software industry that is screwed up.

It took 3 releases (7,8,8.5) to get it right. This is why, and for
the reason mentionned above, I am likely going to dkip X2

Obviously this is a persnnal point of view but I have worked 20
years in software developement cycle and I have seen the increase
of side
effects of shorter developement cycle

I spent time pausing the video to catch all the stuff that zips by and I must say this upgrade is impressive.

Yes, I think the updrade will speak volumes for sonar. I am anticipating the new features of X2. hope that it will be a step in the right direction for many years to come.

I'm not about to have my creativity stifled again because you guys need to make a buck!

Is it ok for them to make a buck in order to a) live, b) continue in business?

LANEY


Well I guess I will wait for the update. Was looking at R-mix, I can wait.
I hear some really bad reviews on the r-mix stuff.   Which is sad. 

I spent a fair amount of time with R-Mix, and wrote a review of it for Harmony Central. There are five audio examples that are pretty real-world.
 
There are two main issues. The first is that its effectiveness depends on the program material. If sounds overlap in terms of frequency and stereo position, you can't modify one without modifying the other, which may or may not work. On the other hand isolated sounds work really well. You can do things like take kick out of a loop, or move a hi-hat from panned left to panned right, very effectively.
 
My biggest surprise, which is one of the audio examples, involved two vocalists - one panned to center, the other slightly off center. I was able to add reverd to only the off-center background vocals, which I didn't expect.
 
The other issue is you need to get good at it. It takes a while to get used to thinking of music as a three-axis display. I'd logged a lot of time with Audition's spectral view and more recently izotope Iris, so it wasn't unfamiliar to me - I'd already scaled most of the learning curve, but there is a learning curve.
 
For any kind of dub music, though, it's downright magical and it has some serious remix possibilities. Its true calling might be processing tracks, not program material.
 
I emailed Roland after I'd played with it for a while and said "Hey, you should really include this in Sonar!" They were probably already ahead of me on that one.

I wonder if the long standing bug (4 or 5 years?) of only being able to have one vst with midi output enabled in a project has been fixed?

Two vst's sending midi output crashes sonar every time.

I also use bidule to get around Sonar's limited routing and this issue above. 
If these were addressed along with the automation I would be willing to try X2.

Riddle me this, I own X1 Expanded and all PCM's already. If I upgrade to X1 Production Suite for $100 now, then I get X2 for free when it's released right? All I'll really gain is Z3TA+2 but I'm locked in for the upgrade. Am I missing something or is this a no-brainer? 

twoifbysea


Riddle me this, I own X1 Expanded and all PCM's already. If I upgrade to X1 Production Suite for $100 now, then I get X2 for free when it's released right? All I'll really gain is Z3TA+2 but I'm locked in for the upgrade. Am I missing something or is this a no-brainer? 

I'm right on board with ya twoif....already figured that out....