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  • Is there a way to do a survey of how folks do drums? (p.2)
2012/10/01 06:35:43
tbosco
Wow!  What a loaded question!  I dare say there are as many ways to "do drums" as there are recordists.
I think it really depends on what you want your drums to "do" in any given track.  I myself "do drums" differently on nearly every song I write for some reason...maybe I'm still experimenting.  But I will do anything from using a great drum module such as EZ Drummer, Cakewalk's Session Drummer, or Addictive Drums along with the beats/grooves that come with them, to using NI Battery with either a drum pad or my MIDI keyboard and just "beat" a groove in, or sort through the millions of drum beat sample loops that are available to drop in and keep the pulse of my tune.  And of course, there is always the option to mic up a set of real drums and have at it or plug in a set of MIDI drums and let a real drummer play (not me...lol).

And don't forget about "layering" these different methods too, as I have found some VERY interesting sounds and patterns created by combining a loop with an EZ Drummer beat for instance, or maybe laying some additional beats with Battery on top of a drum loop.  More often than not, I will usually utilize some sort of combination of these methods.

So for me, it really depends on the song, the feel, and the emotion I want to coax out of the tune.  In fact, a lot of times it's the drum groove that inspires the whole rest of the tune for me!

Good luck and happy drumming!
2012/10/01 06:37:42
Kenneth
I use my Roland Octapad (SPD-30) to record snare kick toms live no quantize, you get lots of little velocity/timing differences that would take ages to plug in and edit manually in prv, and hihats ride and cymbals recorded as audio, just never could stand sampled cymbals.

I always played to a click even live so that's no problem, although even a little latency can mess with your head, but oh well, what's another take :D

You can quickly build up your own library of hihat ride patterns and it just sounds so much better.

I use Steven Slate Platinum for samples, but I'm saving up for a mixosaurus kit.
2012/10/01 07:06:20
mudgel
Can't play drums to save my life. I have good rythmn in my hands but not legs and feet.
for me it Superior Drummer 2 and choose from the thousands of MIDI clips that come with it. They've been played by real drummers who have the chops I don't.

Mind you I have spent most of my time recording others so I've had to do a bit of drum replacement to fix live drumming.
2012/10/01 08:23:17
Guitarhacker
I used to do the roll your own one mouse click at a time...then use copy and paste... time consuming, fake sounding, and boring parts.

Then I heard about Jamstix which will create fairly realistic drum parts automatically.  With an entry price around $100 it was worth every dime not to have to mouse click any more drum tracks. Easy to edit, lots of styles and drummer models and kits... so it's pretty versatile. 

www.rayzoon.com and they had a free demo last time I looked. JS will use the samples form some of the other "drummers" on the market. 

Loops are pretty cool and easy to use as well to make drum tracks. 
2012/10/01 08:51:12
STinGA
I am a drummer , so I play mine in live using a Roland TD6KV triggering Steven Slate Drums 4.0.

The beauty of this method for me is I can adjust any inaccuracy using the PRV after the effect whilst still maintaining the feel I intended. Of course if the kit sound is wrong I just change the kits as needs be.

My only drawback is with my hardware the TD6, it lacks the hihat feel and response I would ideally want from the real thing.  Sadly I don't have the cash to splash out in one of the higher end eKits that caters for enhanced hi hat response..... One day :-).

My place won't allow me to mic and record my acoustic kits, so the eKit is the way ahead.
2012/10/01 09:19:18
Mooch4056
I just stick a shure 58 close to my mouth and cover the 58 screen with my hand and rap the drum beats .... 

Its AMAZING the realistic drum sounds I get. Freakin sounds Just like John Bonham ....
2012/10/01 09:35:27
robert_e_bone
I generally record with rudimentary sequenced drum parts, entered using Native Instruments Battery 3, which is a superb drum synth, and then try to have a real drummer come back in to do cymbals - and sometimes fills, as needed.

Sometimes, I just go with the Battery 3 cymbals, as they are quite good.  Many times I will have a drummer input using an electronic set, and will then adjust sounds and such as needed - this preserves the most realistic feel possible, while still allowing full control over stereo placement, levels, and effects of each individual drum/cymbal.

I do create custom kits with the exact set of drums and individual drum samples that I want, for a particular sound for each song, and then I create a Sonar drum map for that exact combination.

In my custom kits I also assign outputs to different channels - Battery 3 has 16 stereo outputs, for a total of 32 outputs, which allows an AMAZING level of control in mixing - each drum and cymbal can have its own effects, leveling, and panning.

The bottom line is that are a zillion ways to record drums, and what you choose depends on:

1.  Choice
2.  Ability
3.  Available sounds
4.  Available instrumentation

In my opinion, 

Bob Bone

2012/10/01 09:39:45
Kenneth
I've actually thought about trying that with audiosnap, any drummer can sing beats, so sing the hihat record it, grab the midi notes via audiosnap and paste them into pianoroll with a hihat sound.
2012/10/01 10:00:49
Blogman
I have a 7pc Accoustic drum kit, Then I have some cheap Accoustic drums with Mesh heads (pretty much silent) and dual roland triggers and 3 TMC-6's. Gigastudio days I was triggering Larry seyer drums, nowadays I'm triggering NI studio drummer or abbey roads drummer series) I'm a pianist AND a drummer, so I prefer to play it down live on my Homeade e-drums. Also, Own Maschine which I use for techno, hip hop, pop. Hey Bub, I've actually used a rock band midi gtr to play chords on a sample patch. :)
2012/10/01 10:15:01
congalocke
Anybody willing to post examples of some of their best work using their methods?
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