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  • SWA vs Groove 3 (p.6)
2012/09/28 02:14:37
FastBikerBoy
don4777


I will probably end up with both videos (and Scott's book) eventually but I bought Karl's (FastBikerBoy) first.  Over the past year I have found that there were little things (e.g. AudioSnap) that I could not find answers in any of the Cakewalk, Groove3 and SWA videos (and even Sonar X1 Power - which is EXCELLENT) that I finally found in Karl's FREE tutorials that he so graciously made available.  His detailed discussion included exactly the problem (blah blah tempo out of range blah blah blah) that I kept running into.  He made AudioSnap MUCH MORE usable for me.  

The fact that Karl turned out very high quality FREE videos for us - and is a huge asset to the Sonar community here on this forum I wanted to support his X2 video effort.  I am finding that even in the basic stuff that I thought I would just skip past in the videos there are little tidbits that are interesting and useful.  And for the stuff that I am not familiar with (MIDI, synths, etc.) it is going to make getting up to speed on those a lot easier.

As far as the video quality.  This is top shelf.  Very clear video, great use of screen tools to show exactly what he is talking about, and of course excellent audio quality.  As good or better than ANYTHING I have seen.  Much better than most.

My wife overheard the video playing and asked if I was learning X2 from that little green Gecko in the TV commercials.  It took me a minute to get what she was talking about about.  I hope Karl isn't offended but his voice does sound a little like the gecko's.  Let's make that - the gecko sounds a little like Karl.

Karl - THANKS for all of your contributions to all things Sonar.  The videos - both your free ones and the one from SWA - are terrific.

Don
 
 
Thanks for the kind words Don, I'm blushing.... Not sure who Gecko is (I'm UK based) but I'm sure I'll have been compared to worse. I'm really glad you're finding the videos helpful.

BobbyT


Both videos are very wonderful tools and are very informative in there own right,i learn alot of detail from SWA and alot of usage info in groove3.
 
 
Thanks BobbyT
 
musichoo


FastBikerBoy


Hi, sorry you're having trouble with the download. I have little control over distribution but I'll certainly contact Chris at SWA for you.

Are you downloading from his site or the Cakewalk Store? I doubt there's much he can do about it if it's from Cakewalk but I'll see what I can do for you. Let me know where you're trying to get it from and I'lll see if I can sort something out for you.

Karl,
Thanks for responding, I purchased from Cakewalk store. I send customer and email yesterday, haven't receiveany respond yet.
 
Choo Shi-Hwei

Hi Choo, sorry you're still having problems - I'm not sure if I can help much if it's a CW download but I'll see if I can contact someone for you. Hopefully you'll find the video worth the wait.
2012/09/28 10:19:09
bent4life
I'm a sucker for educational materials, so I ended up springing for both the Groove 3 and SWA videos. Groove 3 stuff done by Eli is pretty much a no-brainer for me - informative, enthusiastic, and classy presentations that make you want to say "I've got to try that thing he just did right now." I prefer having the text summary at the end of the segments, which is not in this video. I've also got a few SWA products, and while they can be hit or miss, this latest one is definitely a hit. The detail is remarkable, the presentation easy to follow, and the structure logical. Excellent work from someone who obviously loves working with the program. Who better to learn from? I agree with the frustrations of others concerning the format - I prefer Groove 3's - but Quicktime does the job well enough. And now that Scott has weighed in with news of his forthcoming tome, I can feel another case of PPT (pre-purchase tension) coming on. 
Ben
2012/09/28 10:21:06
don4777

Not sure who Gecko is (I'm UK based) but I'm sure I'll have been compared to worse.



You can't watch TV very long here in the states without seeing "The Gecko".  He is a cute little green gecko lizard who is the spokesperson for the Geico Insurance Company.  He is a rather likable little guy and has been around for several years.  He has a very comforting and confident voice.  Having a voice compared to his voice is a compliment in my book.  It's a great voice.  Perfect for Voice Overs.  Here is a YouTube link to one of his spots. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItxsHYeDuCg&feature=related

Don
2012/09/28 10:30:37
FastBikerBoy
Thanks Don. I'm certainly little and been around for a few years. Likeable depends on who you ask....
 
Thanks for the props Ben, glad you like it..
2012/09/28 11:38:04
jm24
$55 for lots of info. Don't need to use the frontal lobes for this decision.
 
Each covers some stuff. Some overlap occurs. Redundancy is the basis of learning.
 
My sadness has been the lack of audio only instruction. I spend too much time in cars. Would be good to have the sound tracks to listen to. I have recorded the audio to CD from previous vids. Most do not just move to the next lesson, so had to remember to also click the "next" button, and not stop to rewind or ponder.
 
 
=========
The lesson of the day:
 
"Completion" only happens in between humans during contests (games) of winner take all.
It does not apply to products, companies, objects, ideas, animals, trees, mountains,......
Completion requires intent. Only humans can have intent to compete.
 
Sadly this concept has been woefully misapplied for decades. With the resulting interference of intelligent thinking and actions.
 
It is a "Pavlovian-Salivation" word used to invoke the image of a contest where none exists; To elicit a very subconscious, visceral,  response to side with the person who is uttering it.    ("The American People" is another such phrase.)
 
Ask 10 people what the word/concept means and 10 variations will be the responses.
The appropriate word/concept for products is "comparison." And this comparing only has relevance to how each of the products will meet a user's particular requirements.
 
People in business organizations that spend most of their time worrying about what their "competitors" are doing so they can "win," do less innovation, and thereby create me-to products. Often of less quality and consequently more expensive for lifetime use.
 
 
The above comments are a summary of 40 adult years of study (thousands of articles, books, videos), and observation of self and others during everyday living.
 
2012/09/28 12:02:06
peter434
Even if it doesn't matter in this American/English forum, as I am French, it's rather difficult for me to understand English spoken, above all when people speak fast or/and use idiomatic expressions.
It's a pity there are not such devoted guys like Eli or Karl in every country ! 
2012/09/28 12:07:16
FastBikerBoy
No offence taken, some English people have trouble understanding me...

I'm not sure how practical sub-titles would be, my French definitely isn't good enough to translate it. Sorry.
2012/09/28 12:38:08
peter434
Hey Karl

Just watched again the very beginning of your videos and in fact, I can understand rather well : your speaking is very clear and you make every effort to be clear : I'm going to edit my prior post 

I have spoken too fast, and it was certainly me who made a confusion with my own incompetence to grasp all the subtilities of Sonar through your X1 videos, and maybe I associated it to your English (we, non English speakers, have to concentrate both on the translation and the content, and after a while, we switch off!) 

Terribly sorry and thanks again for your work

2012/09/28 12:56:32
FastBikerBoy
No need to apologise I can only imagine what it must be like trying to watch a video narrated in a foreign language. Hopefully it will be clear enough.
2012/10/01 04:19:15
Vastman
I bought both vids and have to concur with some that SWA really needs to be broken up into separate chapter mp4s!  In todays world many of us have tablets and I find it very challenging to watch SWA on my nexus7 as it is one huge file.  With todays inexpensive video editing software, it's a no brainer to split the huge video into chapters which we can access as desired.  I've taken to watching these in my free time, at a coffee shop or while kicking it at the end of a long day and after all the great effort which went in to creating SWA it is a shame that a couple more hours wasn't spent breaking it into separate chapter/section files...

I hope you will do this Carl... as is, it is hard for me to get to where I want to when I want to... and this shouldn't be the case.  You've already done all the homework based on your list of what is covered... and it would increase the user friendliness/utility of your bang up job tremendously.
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