BTW, I have forced myself to use nothing but the plugs in Sonar for complete projects just to get familiar with their functions. The result was I could still get a very satisfying sound, even mastering. You have a lot of horse power under the hood in Sonar. Don't sell it short.

Linear Phase

Chregg


take it your a mastering engineer ??? linear phase

I do all my mastering though :-)  I know how...  Check out my beautiful waveforms..  I totally uploaded this song to Mondo-Tunes today...  its going to be in download stores in a few weeks...




What I'd really like to do, is buy that Sonalksis Suite..  maybe I will get a lot of work this winter!!!   One can always hope..  Work doesn't really pick up here till mid October, so we shall see...



Edit = a link to mondo tunes fer folk who don't know what it is http://www.mondotunes.com/

Thanks for the Mondo Tunes link, Linear Phase; that looks interesting. 

On another note, I haven't heard your song and, for all I know, it sounds fantastic, but it saddens me you associate those hammered transients with beauty.

Sidroe


BTW, I have forced myself to use nothing but the plugs in Sonar for complete projects just to get familiar with their functions. The result was I could still get a very satisfying sound, even mastering. You have a lot of horse power under the hood in Sonar. Don't sell it short.

Truer words have never been written.

I also am a big fan of Ozone but with X1 I have found that Prochannel has a lot of useful modules after you get the add on ones that do a lot toward lifting the load off Ozone. To a degree Ozone 5 is over kill.

Linear Phase that is a scary waveform. I guess you never heard of the loudness wars?

John


Linear Phase that is a scary waveform. I guess you never heard of the loudness wars?

.. that's exactly how I learned to make em, when I lived in the United Kingdom..  In London..  Where I learned to produce, mix, master...  I remember specifically...  the producer who showed me..  haha, I will never forgot what he said...  "I like my waveforms fat."

But your alright John, I know cheers mate :-)




The image above is zoom all the way out...

The image below is zoom quite a way in





  Edit = as you can see, from this image here at the bottom..  There's actually quite a bit of room in there...  you can fit a whole bunch of fun people in that wave form..  Where are my glowsticks?  

benjaminfrog

 but it saddens me you associate those hammered transients with beauty. 

that's all zoomed out and all..  trust me :-) 



Also..  I'm giving mondo, "a head start." but I will put a downloadable 17 megabyte 320 kbs mp3 in the cakewalk.com/song forum


obviously..  it will be a free dl..  but the link might only be available for a few days..  I will bump this thread, and you know..  in the song forum, like "tuesday, or thursday.."  I dunno..  keep an eye

Cheers

With all the flat tops on the waves.... zooming in shows it to still be slammed up against the ceiling somewhat... 

It's too easy to over crank the compression and end up with a shaved top like you show..... go for something like this. Notice the peaks are tamed and pretty much all in the same general area but nothing hits the ceiling and nothing gets shaved off. 




OR... better yet... cut back on the compression overall even more and have a beauty like this to behold.





that one has HUGE dynamic range and while it does hit the ceiling 8 times total.... it sounds good... this one BTW is on my soundclick page. Have a listen to it. It's called Sad Goodbye....  http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=10369122



ADD: I use Ozone

Guitarhacker, with all due respect and all :p  Mine is a slamming, banging tune..  with massive drums.  its going to give a completely different wave form...

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  I was just listening to my tune, and clicked over to your soundclick..  Your tune is louder than mine 

Guitarhacker I'm very glad you posted that. I was thinking of doing the same but yours is well done and I don't have to. LOL

I am reminded of jazz recordings that look a lot like the second one.

But even classic rock has the same look more or less. I should say well recorded and mastered music has that look. If we think of recording as a container we don't have to fill it to the brim. What filling it to the brim does is give the listener irritation and fatigue.

John


Guitarhacker I'm very glad you posted that. I was thinking of doing the same but yours is well done and I don't have to. LOL

I am reminded of jazz recordings that look a lot like the second one.

But even classic rock has the same look more or less. I should say well recorded and mastered music has that look. If we think of recording as a container we don't have to fill it to the brim. What filling it to the brim does is give the listener irritation and fatigue.

  Unfortunately, "for society, and the betterment of listening to great audio," you are correct on that..   Yes my track is, "loud." and fighting in the, "loudness war."   I don't have a good argument for that...  Mines a soldier of volume..   for better or worse..  I'm afraid I'm outed there