Whatever side of this issue you're on, if it's disrupting your life, maybe it's time to put things in perspective. Spend less time online.

RLD


Whatever side of this issue you're on, if it's disrupting your life, maybe it's time to put things in perspective. Spend less time online.

Or get a big bucket of popcorn.....

John

What I see is some one that thinks its just fine on a forum to malign others and name call and to attack the other with apparent impunity. To me that is a disgrace. Why isn't Mike and those that support the idea behind the OP countering this post of Steve's with a simple disavowing.  Nothing will change here as long as a post like Steve's is greeted with no comment from those that don't want the forum inundated with this kind of behavior.

It doesn't matter what view one has about the product. It doesn't matter where one stands on CW.  What matters is how we as members treat each other.  As long as the post by Steve is acceptable to the forum and no one comments on it people like Steve will feel free to be as nasty to others as they wish.

If that is fine to you then what ever else you say here is absurd. Fix it here or be silent always.  

 

He who says this also says this?

Jonbouy

John

Jonbouy

John

grumbleweed4162

John


I don't know why don't you try and report back?

Though I don't know what good they would do if you don't have X1.

Of course you may want CW to give X1 away free thus you can have some use for those patches.

Oh BTW you would only need to DL the C patch because it has all the other patches in it as well.

It may be best not to humour him. This thread will only get longer and for what point?

You're right!

Correction, you merely agree with the TOS violation here.

There's no right about it.

I have no idea what you are going on about.

If you are so concerned about a TOS violation perhaps you would tell your friend to stop trolling against CW. Or don't you see the implied bashing in Mikes post?

I see his post as a response to your refusal to see anything but your view on how updates are funded.

Mike is saying he would actually pay (and does) directly for improvements to the issues he has with software to be implemented.  And yet you seem to be on a crusade to silence or derail any voice that doesn't ring in harmony with your views.

But you carry on mate you're going to do whatever you are going to do.

I've never seen the forum in the state it's currently in where pretty much every thread is reduced to rubble where at one time there used to be reasoned debate.  Sides used to be taken on point not personalities.

There were enough people around at that time though for you to be a just minor in the background annoyance now you've managed to overrun this place...well done mate.

I don't even care anymore.

If I annoy you I have done my duty then.

My refusal to agree with Mike? How ridiculous. Since when is it that anyone has to agree with Mike?

All I see with Mike is a troll that is trying to persuade people not to buy X1. I see you as providing backup for him.

I think that is an outrage and should be stopped. If you two were on an independent forum I would not have an issue with what you both are trying to do. Here I think CW should ban you both.

I have had a very high regard for Mike in the past. I now see him as having only one intent.

I spent an entire weekend battling personal attacks from you trying to ascertain the true contents of the Expanded package, before the weekend Ryan had already rapped you for directing personal insults specifically at me, after the weekend Brandon confirmed that I am indeed a very welcome contributor here and that he appreciated my commentary on X1 and all things Cakewalk.

Yet you can carry on a crusade of duty to annoy another member, you don't think perhaps that is an outrage?  You think I should be banned on what grounds, your fair and balanced individual outlook?

Find and show me where I was even in contravention of any spirit let alone rules of the forum that prompted this crusade of yours and I will apologize for upsetting you to the point where you felt a need to behave like that.

If you want any credibility in this matter John you would need to get honest with yourself, a quality that I have noticed over a number of years here is sadly lacking in your character.

Yes I lost it completely with you on Monday and was able to admit it but only after my reports of your constant, contentless personal attacks to the moderators went unheeded.

If you expect a certain level of behaviour from others here start behaving properly.

Your level of denial here may not be an outrage but at the very least it is completely breathtaking.

The credence I give to anything you say anymore I have to agree with Steve about, if you had been served up with a good pile of the brown stuff you'd still be campaigning the pro's about it you aren't helpful at the best of times, but that's OK by me, in fact in a funny way it's quite endearing, it's when you get personal for the sake of it at my expense I'm gonna call foul.  Everytime.

Now go away and think about it, seriously and honestly.  No that isn't an order but I don't think getting some good perspective on what you are actually doing will be a bad thing for you or the forum generally!

Mind you I'm not expecting anything more that your normal justification, wordplay and denial as a retort.  It just wouldn't be you if anything else happened.

All I can say is thank goodness someone has come down from on high to put us all in our place.  Without other people to tell us that nothing we say matters, we might assume that we have some intrinsic value.  How wonderful it is that there are those perfect, blameless people in the X1 forum who always hold themselves to the highest standards of excellence and treat everyone with the utmost resect.  I don't know how the rest of us can live with ourselves after witnessing their complete and utter perfection.  I'm sure that the reason so many of us here avoid the X1 forum (otherwise known as "The Blessed Realm") is because we deserve to be treated as the scum we are.  Some of us forget our station in life and begin to think of ourselves as equals whose ideas and opinions carry equal weight. 

Obviously, when we are instructed to drop dead by one of the Exalted Ones, we should thank this magnificent being for deigning to offer such encouragement.  Unfortunately, as the ungrateful, unenlightened beings we are, we sometimes interpret such statements as insulting, abusive, and even hurtful.  As a result, we occasionally react in kind.  We know better, but sometimes, we just have to say how we feel.  We're flawed that way.

It's a good thing this forum software has the ability to enable the Important People upstairs to block posts from the lower life forms.  This way, their valuable time is not wasted reading posts that don't matter, like this one.

John

SteveStrummerUK



What drives me up the wall is the vomit-inducing sycophancy.

One would think  that if one is having such a reaction they would avoid the forum.

Why should I? I come here to help, get help and hang out down here. Doesn't mean I have to like every aspect of the place, or not be able to express an opinion about it. 

And not just the cringeworthy and misplaced loyalty to a company that, and let's be brutally honest here, exist mainly to separate them and the rest of us from our money.

This sounds as if a forum member has to be antagonistic to the provider of the forum to be seen in your eyes as acceptable. My understanding for having the forum is to provide a way for users to compare notes on issues and using it to fix problems. To help one another use the product efficiently. I don't think CW had in mind that it would ever become a platform to constantly bash both the company and the product.   

And blind sycophantic devotion is any better? I agree that maybe some of the bashers can get a little rude to our hosts, but the more intelligent and eloquent among them maintain a dignified and patient disposition. I'm sure they must get thoroughly fed up with the constant contempt spewed on them by those for whom the software is working, or who like the new design.

It's exactly as Mike says, it exists just as much among the '+1' and the 'LMAO' mob that follow up their pathetic diatribes, and serve only to encourage them.

The only diatribes come from those that are either upset with how something is not working or against those that offer advice to help get a problem solved.

John, I know your not a stupid man, so I can only assume you didn't see the list of John T's quotes that Jonbouy posted the other day. Or maybe you've conveniently forgotten your own public statement that you see it as your 'duty' to annoy Jon? And didn't you recently get a public rebuke by a moderator asking you to 'calm down'? Now I'm no scholar of the English language, but to me these few examples (of many) seem like perfect examples of diatribe.

To use a school analogy, you could imagine the fanbois are the teacher's pets to Cakewalk's staff (the teachers) and as such, are allowed much more leeway in their behaviour. Even if they do cross the line, the authoritative words may appear strong but the actions are weak.

 As in school from immature children name calling is used to minimize the humanity of another person. It is anti TOS and because no one seems to be able to say stop it I will.

See above. Pot calling the kettle black.

The toadies that follow the fanbois like sickly sheep are the unpopular kids who'll do and say anything to get in the gang - quite abhorrent really.

Same as above. Except that because name calling is used with such fervor the message is ignored. Only the name calling is noticed.

Ditto - see above.  

And I'm with Bub - talking in generic terms may be politically correct, but let's call a spade a spade...

Isn't that the same as a + 1?

No, it's called reading a thread properly and commenting on somebody else's contribution. 

John is, without doubt, the biggest bootlicking backslapping fanboi on the planet. I once suggested to him that if Cakewalk sent him a turd in a box and called it X2 he'd be on the forum within seconds defending it to the hilt and lying that it smelt of French perfume. He called me 'negative' so I politely explained (as I believe both JB and Bub have done recently) that Cakewalk don't need people telling them that everything in the garden is rosy, an 'Emperor's new clothes' syndrome if you like, but honest feedback. I said I was wasn't being negative, I was being realistic - big difference I'm sure you'd agree.

This is to me a violation of the TOS.

Why? It's all true. And it may come as a shock to you but I'd imagine the vast majority of regular SONAR forum users would agree with it.

And the other prefect - John T (who I postulate has recently usurped John as head boy), has got to be the most odious, execrable, hypocritical and sanctimonious creep I've ever had the mispleasure to encounter. How someone can, when they've lost an argument, stoop so low as to say they hope their adversary would "die in a fire" is quite beyond my understanding. And there have been many other examples - all conveniently ignored by the powers that be.

It's a disgrace.

What I see is some one that thinks its just fine on a forum to malign others and name call and to attack the other with apparent impunity. To me that is a disgrace. Why isn't Mike and those that support the idea behind the OP countering this post of Steve's with a simple disavowing.  Nothing will change here as long as a post like Steve's is greeted with no comment from those that don't want the forum inundated with this kind of behavior.
 

I notice you don't mention John T's comments in the same breath. So I can only assume that you condone his behaviour? If you're going play forum police, you have a duty to be impartial - no? Or would I be right in assuming  that because you seem to agree with everything he says you're not too worried about the manner in which he composes his posts?

It doesn't matter what view one has about the product. It doesn't matter where one stands on CW.  What matters is how we as members treat each other.  As long as the post by Steve is acceptable to the forum and no one comments on it people like Steve will feel free to be as nasty to others as they wish.

I couldn't agree more. But I also believe you reap what you sow. 

If that is fine to you then what ever else you say here is absurd. Fix it here or be silent always.

Fix what? And please don't tell me what to do - as much as you might think it is, it ain't your job to censor my posts.
 
 
 
 
Edit - spelling.

UbiquitousBubba


All I can say is thank goodness someone has come down from on high to put us all in our place.  Without other people to tell us that nothing we say matters, we might assume that we have some intrinsic value.  How wonderful it is that there are those perfect, blameless people in the X1 forum who always hold themselves to the highest standards of excellence and treat everyone with the utmost resect.  I don't know how the rest of us can live with ourselves after witnessing their complete and utter perfection.  I'm sure that the reason so many of us here avoid the X1 forum (otherwise known as "The Blessed Realm") is because we deserve to be treated as the scum we are.  Some of us forget our station in life and begin to think of ourselves as equals whose ideas and opinions carry equal weight. 

Obviously, when we are instructed to drop dead by one of the Exalted Ones, we should thank this magnificent being for deigning to offer such encouragement.  Unfortunately, as the ungrateful, unenlightened beings we are, we sometimes interpret such statements as insulting, abusive, and even hurtful.  As a result, we occasionally react in kind.  We know better, but sometimes, we just have to say how we feel.  We're flawed that way.

It's a good thing this forum software has the ability to enable the Important People upstairs to block posts from the lower life forms.  This way, their valuable time is not wasted reading posts that don't matter, like this one.

Who is saying anyone is blameless? The OP is trying to make a point about bashing one another. In this I agree. We should stop doing that. I never said I was not also guilty of a bash here and there have I? One thing I try not to do is calling names. I don't always succeed there but I don't think you will find a lot of name calling in any of my posts.

So to you this thread is for bashing some without anyone commenting on that?
If you can't see that so be it. 

John, I know your not a stupid man, so I can only assume you didn't see the list of John T's quotes that Jonbouy posted the other day. Or maybe you've conveniently forgotten your own public statement that you see it as your 'duty' to annoy Jon? And didn't you recently get a public rebuke by a moderator asking you to 'calm down'? Now I'm no scholar of the English language, but to me these few examples (of many) seem like perfect examples of diatribe.

I had a talk with Seth about that I wont go into detail but its not what you may think. What is the cause of the post was my observation that Jonbouy may not have English as his first language. That is as benign as anything said to any. So lets not make more out of it then it is. Seth ask me to chill. Hardly a bashing of Jonbouy or a rebuke of me.

I notice you don't mention John T's comments in the same breath. So I can only assume that you condone his behaviour? If you're going play forum police, you have a duty to be impartial - no? Or would I be right in assuming  that because you seem to agree with everything he says you're not too worried about the manner in which he composes his posts?

I stand guilty on that. I will try to be more fair in the future. It has to stop no matter who is doing it.

John

What is the cause of the post was my observation that Jonbouy may not have English as his first language. That is as benign as anything said to any. So lets not make more out of it then it is. Seth ask me to chill. Hardly a bashing of Jonbouy or a rebuke of me.

What a complete crock of utter tripe - you are kidding right?
 
Jon is, without doubt, one of the most eloquent and intelligent contributors to these forums - he's a born writer, and a gifted and excellent communicator.
 
I honestly can't think of any reason why anyone might even imagine his first language is not English.
 
Why don't you just admit you were rude to him, apologise, and move on?
 
 

 
John, I see Jonbouy has been banned - are you happy now?
 
No doubt I'll be next. And all because you can't behave yourself.
 
It's a disgrace.
 
I implore you to retract your reports.
 
Or get busy and start reporting John T's remarks immediately - otherwise you are nothing but a coward and a hypocrite.
 
I may not always agree with everything you say, but I've always held some respect for you. If Jon has been banned as a result of your actions, then that evaporated completely today.

SteveStrummerUK


 
John, I see Jonbouy has been banned - are you happy now?
 
No doubt I'll be next. And all because you can't behave yourself.
 
It's a disgrace.
 
I implore you to retract your reports.
 
Or get busy and start reporting John T's remarks immediately - otherwise you are nothing but a coward and a hypocrite.
 
I may not always agree with everything you say, but I've always held some respect for you. If Jon has been banned as a result of your actions, then that evaporated completely today.

I had nothing to do with him being banned. I didn't even know about until seeing this post. I had blocked him thats all.

Why would you blame me for his banning? Is it not his posts that caused it? I have not seen his posts so I don't know. If you look I have not responded to anything he posted. The reason is I didn't see it.

If you feel that you are next its because you must feel that you post ban-able stuff.