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2016/03/24 21:06:12
jbow
Wow. Change is coming, hopefully not to Cakewalk. Gibson needs to get back to making a top notch LP Standard and a good Studio and stop with all the different RI models, just make one RI a year and make it right... and make the Standard RIGHT. THAT will fix it. A really good LP Standard with a long neck tenon, plecked.. just done right. Quality control.
When I win the lottery no one will have to worry about Cakewalk, OK?
 
J
2016/03/25 01:05:31
sharke
Yawn...another deranged diatribe from someone with a mouthful of vinegar. 
 
It's very hard to argue with idiots like this because they will always dismiss opposing arguments with the same cliched BS about "echo chambers" and "shills" and "delusional bubbles" in an attempt to shut down the discussion before it's even started. The irony being that he is the closed minded, deluded one, because he refuses to believe that there are thousands of people out there (many of them pros) having a great experience with Sonar or that there are people having a hell of a time getting Pro Tools, Studio One, Cubase and every other DAW working without issues. 
 
Personally before coming to Sonar I had the most dreadful experience with Pro Tools and stability to the point where it was almost completely unusable to me. So what I did was, I ditched Pro Tools, bought Sonar, and have been happy ever since. What I didn't do was flit back to the Avid forums to write long, boring screeds about how everyone who is having a good experience with Pro Tools is delusional and that I hope Avid goes belly up. Because I'd have to be thoroughly bitter and twisted to do that. 
2016/03/25 03:32:40
ampfixer
I blame Trump.
2016/03/25 04:24:28
craigb
TL;DR
2016/03/25 09:21:24
jbow
ampfixer
I blame Trump.


No, actually it is Hillary's fault.
 
@Sharke... not to mention Pro Tools will break the bank if you're the sort who likes to think they have something closer to the TOTL. It seems to get very expensive very fast. There is something about PT I cannot seem to put my finger on, something intangible that creeps me out. Maybe it is just the idea that PT users think that PT is the one and only professional DAW available, IDK but I don't like PT for some reason I really don't understand.
 
There seem to be no show stoppers with Sonar. It seems to me that every DAW has its problems. It is amazing to me that any piece of software can do so much.
2016/03/25 09:31:19
dcumpian
craigb
TL;DR




TL;DR.: Gibson is over-leveraged and some weirdo doesn't like Sonar or the forum users or both...
 
Dan
 
 
2016/03/25 10:00:20
bitflipper
It's clear that Gibson has over-diversified. It should abandon guitars altogether and return to its core business strengths.
 

2016/03/25 10:12:33
Moshkito
dmbaer
...  A generation ago, he said, at least one guy in ten wanted to be a guitarist or drummer.  These days, interest among the pre-teen/teenage generation has dramatically declined over the last couple of decades. 
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I am not surprised ... specially when the music that kids are playing when you drive around is mostly thump thump thump thump rap and none of it has a guitar. Essentially, that takes a generation of kids out of music learning, because the old witches in high school are going to want you to sing stuff from "Sound of Music", and not anything from the stuff the kids like, and that turns kids off even more ... heck, even in 1968 and 1969 we told Mrs. McCormick (West High) that she was an oldie and did not know music, or appreciate music! She laughed because she was cool, but she admitted one day, that she wished she had a better ear for music, several months after I quit ... when she asked me why I left, as I was a good tenor. I told her ... the day you find a way to even do a Beatles song, I will return! She stared at me for a while before saying anything ... and you know damn well that the same thing is happening in the schools today, with a different set of music, but the old standards need to change and help the kids learn more about music and appreciation, and for crying out loud ... get rid of "Sound of Music"!
 
I've said before that instrument teaching and learning will die out quickly because there are not enough people giving back to the art. Besides, you can play the guitar on a nice tablet ... so why bother with a clanky old piece of wood, that is hard to tune properly ... and chords that are too difficult for the fingers to find! Fewer and fewer kids will get into it.
 
 
2016/03/25 10:15:25
Moshkito
jbow
ampfixer
I blame Trump.


No, actually it is Hillary's fault.
 
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Actually it goes back to Mr. Bush ... he was the one that started cutting out most of the fund for studies in the arts, including music. Most schools nowadays have to hope that music stores supply the kids with instruments for a low enough fee to prevent the parents from saying ... forget it ... not worth it, and we can't afford it.
 
And most music store's focus that I have seen ... is not about getting new customers ... it's about selling a 2nd or 3rd guitar to the same stooge that keeps coming in! Or the half pro nerd.
2016/03/25 11:08:01
AT
Ah, so President Bush was in charge of your school district's music program?  Hmm,  I thought he might have been busy running the federal side of things, but I see.  Perhaps you need to rethink your local school district's priorities and Federal involvement.  At the very least look sharply at free money - most of it goes to "support" staff and all the undersecretaries to the vice principal of this and that which has nothing to do w/ education.  Or training, which ain't teaching either.  And when people complain about lack of teachers and funds they should know schools don't hire more teachers until their non-teaching half of school is all caught up and fat and happy. Just look at the difference between support staff when you went to school and a school today and correct for the size differential. 
 
Teach music?  I made a living for a few years teaching remedial English at college for students who couldn't spell cat if you spotted them the c a t.  And some of them were teaching in training.  Of course, this was a decade and more ago.  Raise your hands if you think it has gotten better.
 
Back on topic - money is cheap.  As long as their is any residual value in Gibson they will get more funding so I hope they know what they are doing.  And they know at least a small recession happens every 8-10 years.  We are due if they check the calendar. 
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