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2012/09/28 04:23:57
synkrotron
tunekicker


From my brief look at R-mix I don't think it will help in your situation that much. R-mix seems best suited to a few very specific noise reduction situations and to filtering between sounds when there is an obvious difference in pitch or the position in the stereo field. Given your recording was in mono that kills one dimension of R-mix's operations right off the bat. I am open to being pleasantly surprised, though. 

Ah, yes, of course. I should have thought of that. Hmmm... I'll have a look all the same, but now that you've pointed that out I'm not so hopeful.
2012/09/28 09:09:22
Guitarhacker
to get a "reverse the phase" to work, the track has to be 100% identical. If there is ANY difference it will not cancel properly and you will hear something. 

To do this..... do not record it twice. Record it once and clone that track.... then flip the phase. You now stand the best chance for a total cancellation to occur.  recording it twice allows for small variations to occur and it won't cancel properly. 

I'm still thinking a set of noise canceling ear buds are the best, quickest, and easiest solution. 

http://reviews.cnet.com/h...5-7877_7-33772066.html

I was first introduced to these when I bought my Dell laptop. They came with it. At that time they were around $75 a pair.

I have bought these things in bulk from Amazon for around $15 a pair. I personally think the bass in them is superb with nice crisp highs. I have compared them to "professional" headphones at a Sam Ash pro-audio dept. I was prepared to buy up to a $300 set of cans..... after comparing them, I decided to keep the money in my pocket and continue to use the EP-630's and my other existing cans. 

As far as durability, at $15 a pair...(check prices on Amazon to find the best price).. they are almost a disposable commodity. I do have a set now on my MP3 player that has been operating fine for well over a year. They get almost a daily workout. 

the soft rubber cups (they provide 3 sizes...S, M, L for individual comfort levels) do a fine job in isolating the outside world's noise meaning you don't have to really crank them to hear the music. I wear them on my riding lawn mower when cutting the grass, and can listen to acoustic guitar music easily. 
2012/09/28 09:48:31
Teds_Studio
I would think that using an EQ and dipping the two freqs of the click with a very narrow Q would work fine.

I did this for a friend of mine quite some time ago...where it was a phone ringing during a quiet passage of a song at a wedding.  Luckily the ring tone of the phone was a regular "bell" type of ring instead of a "song".

I just found the two offending freqs of the ringer and dipped them out and all worked fine.
2012/09/28 10:04:07
NW Smith
+1 to what Steve said. Phase reverse works.
2012/09/28 10:06:16
Aldwyn
  Thanks so much again, guys. I appreciate the help! Tunekicker, fantastic! Another Izotope tool I may have to invest in! :D Thanks a bunch! I have learned a lesson here, which I have never had to deal with before, since most of my stuff doesnt have such quiet passages. But from here on out, I wont be using the "standard" Sonar click, and whatever I use will have much lower output. (recording some tracks last night, I was using -40db!) I bought several pairs of Sennheiser HD280 Pro headphones for my studio... would be a shame to put those aside for some ear buds! :D But, it's usually just me in the studio. I rarely record anyone else (and when I do, it's usually for one of my own tunes), so investing in some duct tape for those Sennheisers may be in order. ;) Thanks again guys, and thanks again Tunekicker!
2012/09/28 10:12:41
Aldwyn
  Ted, I actually tried this, but couldn't isolate the frequency in order to kill the tone. Lack of experience, more then likely. While I have been recording since the early days of Cakewalk, I have never taken the time to learn some of these tricks well. Now it's on my to-do list!
2012/09/28 10:43:22
synkrotron
Hi tunekicker. I'm at home now and I've downloaded that file onto my DAW laptop. For some reason I can't play it using Windows Media Player or open it in Sound Forge. I've also tried dragging it into X2 but I get an error there too.

Pity that, I wanted to hear your result.

I've just given this a go in R-Mix and you were bang on. With it being a mono recording you get a very narrow vertical line in the middle of the R-Mix screen. I can isolate quite a bit of the click track but it scallops out too much of the mids in the guitar sound so it sounds a bit pants to be honest.

So, Aldwyn, seeing as it is only a short passage to play, I would seriously consider re-recording it, but this time use some ear buds, as others have suggested here.

I've still uploaded the file, so you can at least hear the fruits of my labour:-

http://www.synkrotron.co.uk/Sonar/Acoustic2NoClick.wav


2012/09/28 10:54:55
Teds_Studio
Aldwin...I just inserted a parametric EQ and cut a very narrow Q...then would slowly sweep it back and forth until I found the offending freq.  You would have two freqs to kill with that type of click.

Being able to cut the freq at a very narrow Q should not affect the guitar track very much.
2012/09/28 11:52:54
tunekicker
Sharing MP3 results - hope Syncrotron can listen to this one.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/q1qryod0lm67jz0/Acoustic2RX.mp3

Here are the pretty pictures-

Before:

http://sdrv.ms/SInd8b

After:

http://sdrv.ms/UT3eEo

For this I manually removed all frequencies below 120, used the Deconstruct Module to turn noise elements down 12 db, and selected each click with Spectral Repair using Horizontal selection in the Attenuate module, varying the Before/After balance as needed for best results.

This enabled me remove atonal information, then isolate the click from the guitar tone by using the guitar tone before and after the click as a guide on what to keep and what to kill.

This only took 5 minutes because of rendering time. Actual interactive effort was more like 2.

Peace,

Tunes
2012/09/28 11:57:51
konradh
+1 to the Grif.  The phase reversal trick is awesome.  You may have to mess with levels and record the click via headphone bleed, but it is a great way to go.

You can also do this to get rid of or reduce track bleed in general on vocal tracks if the mix is the same when you create the version to invert.
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