I am using audiosnap in Sonar X1 to convert kick and snare tracks to midi so i can replace them with samples. Well, I enabled audio snap, got the snare transients converted to midi just fine. Now when I try it with the kick, it finds no transients. All I see is a transient on each beat of the measure, whether I have a kick beat there or not. Also, if I select copy as midi, its like it copies a metronome track, puts a midi note on every beat in the song. Any idea what I did?

I feel silly suggesting this to a fellow Silver member, but there is a setting for sensitivity or threshold in AudioSnap. Is that all the way up or down? Try turning moving it significantly in the other direction.

I've always found the logic of AudioSnap convoluted a bit since it can be used for so many different timing/tempo/beat functions. It's a great set of features if the song was recorded to a click in the first place. If not, there is a chicken/egg problem I run into where the threshold/sensitivity wants to think on a grid, but the song isn't on one unless I've first defined some measures/beats so Sonar's measures and beats match the actual performance.

What I would love would be two modes of sensitivity/threshold:

1. Manual Threshold- what would be EPIC would be to have a view similar to iZotope RX where I could see the intensity of every frequency over time, like below, and mark the kind of information I want to trigger a transient, along with a threshold. Every time that pattern of sound was repeated for a particular frequency range (above a threshold I set), a transient would be generated automatically. In essence, I tell it where the kick is and it sets a transient marker every time that same pattern of sound happens. In this way I could take a drum overhead track and export MIDI for individual instruments easily by running the process multiple times while focused on sounds that are of a certain velocity at a certain frequency for a particular range of time. This would be truly brilliant.




2. Musical Time (basically combining the above with the way it works in Sonar now- a threshold based on musical time but the ability to view and move markers in this hybrid view.)

It is important to note that a user tweakable hybrid view would be better than a pure spectrogram (like in RX, it could be crossfaded by the user for pure waveform, pure spectrogram, or a mix of the two.) While the spectrogram gives a lot more information about the content of the sound, the waveform is better at pinpointing transients to the user. Thus, a hybrid view would be the best of both worlds.

Peace,

Tunes

Make sure you have that Clip selected (the Kick Drum clip), Hit "A", and try adjusting the Threshold.

What happens?

Ha, thanks for the suggestions, but of course I tried moving the sensitivity. You cant adjust sensitivity on something that has not been selected. Thats the problem, none of the transients are being selected when you enable audiosnap on this track. When I hit "A" when selecting that clip, nothing happens. Also, when I go to View and select "audiosnap pallette", it opens but there is no transient button at the top of the audiosnnap pallete, like there normally is. Obviously I hit something somewhere, just don't know how to make it normal again.

Have you set the edit filter correctly? Middle mouse button or press T and set it from there.

If you have try right clicking and use the Select-->all filter and re-enable the transients.

Sounds to me like you either don't have the edit filter set or have disabled them all.

Nope, thats not it either. Even if I copy the clip, and bring it into a different project, I still cannot get it to see the transients. But all other clips I try this on will work, in the other project.

Fast running out of ideas but is it a groove clip or v-vocal clip? They are all mutually exclusive.

Could I have accidentaly mad it a groove clip? It's just a kick drum from the kit I recorded last week.

Shortcut is ctrl+L so maybe. A groove clip has rounded corners. You can also tell by dragging it out. If it rolls out as repeats its a groove clip.

I remember reading that you can't use audiosnap on groove clips, so hopefully thats what happened. I guess I could bounce it to clip and try then.