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  • MIDI-MAPPER and Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth Not Showing Up in X1 - New W7 Computer
2011/01/25 14:02:45
kelsoz
Hi - I'm in the process of getting my new computer going (Dell XPS Studio Desktop 8100, W7/64, core i5 760, 8MB) - so far so good.  Got X1a installed as well as Band in a Box and other music programs.  X1 doing well.  I have not yet connected my digital audio interface (EMU 1616 PCI, still in "old" computer) or midi keyboard.

The "sound card" is a Realtek High Deffinion Audio and somehow there is something called Creative THX in there as well.  Little info on either.  It appears there is no ASIO, but does support WDM/KS, MME, and a few other audio drivers.

So, I have been able to play all manner of audio through the computer speakers - streaming, audio files, BIAB files both midi and audio, and in X1 - Audio only.  And here is where I need some help.

When I play MIDI in BIAB or MIDI players like VanBasco, I can see the choices for MIDI output drivers are my old friends MIDI-MAPPER and Microsoft GS Wavetable synth.  BUT in X1, the Pref/MIDI/Devices charts are empty for both input (of course) and output - where I would expect to see MIDI-MAPPER and Microsoft GS Wavetable synth.  (On my old computer (XP), X1 does indeed show the Microsoft GS Wavetable synth in the list.)

1.  Any suggestions on how to get X1 to acknowledge MIDI-MAPPER and Microsoft GS Wavetable synth in the MIDI device output?

2.  Other than denigrating comments (I can do that), any info or sources to enlightenment me on the Realtek and Creative THX thing?

Thanks
2011/01/25 14:16:50
juca
If I remember well, the only driver that "see" the Wavetable Synth is the MME. Hit the "P" key of your computer keyboard, go to Audio/Playback and Recording and change to MME driver in the Driver Mode box.
However, this driver had bad working state at low latency settings. I can suggest you still with the WDM driver and use a simple soft synth as the TTS-1 (or choose another of your preference) for play the MIDI files under Sonar.
But when connecting your EMU device, please change the drivers for ASIO.
Best regards.
2011/01/25 14:41:31
kelsoz
Thanks Juca - But I'm really trying to get X1 to recognize the "built in" midi output drivers that other programs recognize.
2011/01/25 15:06:30
Beagle
but he told you that as well.  MOST of the time MS GS Wavetable and MIDI Mapper are only available if you're in MME driver mode.  some systems they will show up in ASIO mode but only rarely and I've never heard of anyone find them in WDM driver mode.
2011/01/26 17:44:32
kelsoz
Thanks for the clarification, Beagle.  That did it.  I now show MS GS Wavetable, non MIDI-MAPPER.  My MME is called "MME (32Bit).  Since I'm running 64 bit W7 and 64 bit Sonar, I was surprised it took, and seems to work well.  And the other audio programs I use still work well.  Also, when I changed driver mode to something other than MME, the MS GS continued to stick in Sonar's MIDI Devices Output.

Thanks to both of you.
2011/01/26 22:50:28
daveny5
MIDI Mapper is not and has never been a valid choice.

The MS GS Wavetable synth is crap. Learn how to use softsynths and use the Cakewalk TTS-1 instead. You'll get much better results. 

Switch to WDM or ASIO mode as Beagle said. 
2011/01/27 00:46:33
kelsoz
If you read the op, you know I have a fine audio interface etc.  I would feel lost without having the MS GS as with that I can quickly audition and edit multi-track MIDI files one after another - zip zip zip.  Here, sound quality is of diminished interest, composition and structure are of great interest.  Using TTS-1 in this mode would not be so quick.  The real next choice for me is to run the midi into the Fantom X GM banks. 
2012/01/25 17:11:33
StevenBrant
I'm with kelsoz. This used to work, and now it's broken. I want to audition tracks easily. I don't understand why for every two features they had they have to break one. 
2012/01/25 17:14:14
StevenBrant
BTW, the MME driver trick did not work on my system (Win 7/64 bit). The GS Wavetable still doesn't show up. I was in the software business for 29 years, and one of the first rules was "don't break the old stuff."
2012/01/25 23:17:01
daveny5
I was in the software business for 29 years, and one of the first rules was "don't break the old stuff."



Really?!!!!?????!!!!


I don't know any 29 year old software that still works. 
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