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2014/05/11 19:00:16
evadianepug
BTW, saying it's pitchy doesn't mean it's THAT bad, it's just something one person tells another that they are hearing.  Not to hurt feelings but to point out something that is aware to that listener.  I just don't want you to think this is really bad, it's not.  Listen to your playback with only one melody instrument playing and see what you think.  Personally, if I thought it was unredeamable, I'd probably say that.  You just need a bit of work.  I definitely agree GTRPSTR that new songs are definitely more prone to be pitchy cause, well,.....no one knows them yet.  When I compare my first few tracks of a new song to the finals, it's almost shameful.  That's a VERY good point.  Anyway, I didn't want you to get the wrong idea about what we were saying.  
2014/05/11 21:24:10
teego
Sounds pretty good  mix wise, I do hear the pitchiness in the vocal and the guitar . On the guitar it's more like the string is being pressed a little hard or being bent a little because in general it's in tune . I just hear it in a place or two. Good tune and a good job on it.
2014/05/12 10:49:03
michaelhanson
Pug,
 
I didn't take your response that way; I understood what you were saying.  You felt like there were a couple of areas that had some pitch issues that needed to be worked on.  That was no big deal to me.
 
Teego,  Thanks for listening.  I wonder if what some are hearing on the guitar is me altering a chord, like D, by dropping the pinky and creating a sus2?  I will do a lot of accents on in my chording by adding a 7th or sus to some songs.  Are you hearing this on the chorus, that is were I am alternating the D chord to a Dsus2 to add an accent in parts.  All of the chords are pretty much open chords and I don't feel like I am stretching or bending them while playing. 
 
Gtrpastor,
Thanks for listening and commenting.  Sounds like you have experienced the same issue from time to time.  I could try a different key, but I think I can work with this one alright and will give it another go.  I am glad you like and can relate to the lyrics.  Lyrically, this may turn out to be one of my favorites; time will tell.
2014/05/13 12:40:04
Guitarhacker
I hear the out of tune or off pitch things that were mentioned.  Guitar sounds like it's simply how you pull the strings or possibly that you didn't tweeze the tuning before you hit record. More than one time I have tuned up and ran through the song a time or two or worked out the lead I was planning.....and then when I record it, the tuning has slipped or been pulled a bit off pitch. Tweeze the tuning from time to time during a recording session. 
 
Vox, well, that's you... your style. I can rarely sing a song no matter how well I learn it, and keep everything on pitch like I want. Melodyne to the rescue. Just to nudge the notes or perhaps just part of the note on to the pitch I intended. No shame in that.
 
I think why it kinda sticks out so much, is that, in the first part of the song it's just you and the acoustic. Nothing to hide behind as they say.
 
I'd like to hear this a bit more "opened up sounding", right now it sounds kinda closed in a bit. Nothing major, just a personal preference on my part.
 
Good song and a good job on this.... just a few nits to deal with.
2014/05/13 17:21:54
michaelhanson
Hey Herb,
 
Thanks for listening brother.  I have actually already resung this song and tracked some new vocals.  I mowed the yard shortly after posting it; right after reading all the pitch comments.  It bothered me so much that I came in the house soaking wet from our first real hot day in Texas this year, flipped on the preamp, grabbed the iPad with lyrics on it and tracked 2 takes start to finish, while I had nice swetty vocal chords.  I think it came out better this time a round, but I haven't posted a new version yet.  I think the ear pads on the cans are still soaking wet, actually.  Ha! 
 
Yes, It's how we sound and its not going to be perfect with me singing the song.  I have already gone into the new version with melodyne and as you say.....nudged a few notes up or down here and there.  I know that my vocals are improving, melodyne proves that when you can graph them and over time and songs, see that you are hitting things closer all of the time.  Just me an the acoustic, like you say, probably does contribute to the issue.  I left myself a little bit naked for the first time. 
 
On the guitar, I am pretty religious about tuning repeatedly between takes.  It could happen I guess, but I carry a Peterson strobe on my iPhone for the acoustic; the electrics and bass are using Ampitube 3, which has a built in tuner which is basically always on, so that I can flip back an foreth.  I guess if I had Melodyne Producer I could graph the guitar as well, just to check it.  I am not hearing the guitar issues.  I have had a couple of people PM me and say that they don't hear the guitar issues.  Who knows?  Maybe there is, maybe there isn't.  I know that I can't pick out which one might be the issue right now.
 
Glad you liked the song Herb.  I worked pretty hard on these lyrics to get them where I wanted them and fought the urge to settle for less.  Lyrically, it is one of my favorites right now.  Time will tell, I guess.
2014/05/13 18:33:17
teego
  I listened to it again and it didn't jump out at me but it does still sound like there are spots where the guitar is slightly out , but it could be me, my ears are not what they used to be. I don't think it has to do with the chording that you mentioned, it sounds like the B string is slightly sharp in places. Please do not think I am being critical . I just try to be honest about what I hear because that is what I want when I post a song. Again though my ears really aren't what they used to be so it could just be me.
2014/05/13 19:34:24
michaelhanson
Well, your ears can't be worse than mine, Teego. My wife keeps telling me that I need hearing aids. I don't think she has figured out that I have selective hearing. :-)

I'm sure that there is something there if a few of you guys are hearing it. I just can't hear it. It must not be very noticeable though, I have this up at another site as well and the 5 or 6 that have responded didn't pick up on anything out of tune on the guitar.

I had a room mate in college and the first time I met him, he walked into our dorm room and said to me, "Your speakers are out of phase"...I was like....what? He went over to one of them, switched the cable over and walls...they suddenly sounded really good. Turned out he was a pretty good guitar player as well and the two of us eventually started our first band together. I learned very quickly, that if Chris heard something out of tune or timing, it definitely was. It took me years to be able to hear some of the things he heard in an instant.
2014/05/14 22:24:41
Lynn
Mike, I like the acoustic guitar in this.  It sounds like you're in my room, playing next to me.  I would like to hear the electric guitar louder in the mix.  It's well behind the acoustic, and though that gives depth, they don't sound like they're playing in the same place.  Once you resolve the vocal issue, I'm sure this song will take off.  Personally, I hope that you take the time to rerecord it rather than Melodyne it.  Whatever you're using to record your voice with sounds so good that you are literally under the microscope.
2014/05/15 07:29:14
michaelhanson
Thanks for the comments Lynn.
 
I posted a new version of this one if you get a chance to listen.  I have re-tracked ALL of the vocals.  I hope that they all sound on pitch now.  I brought the electric "crunch" guitar up a little in the mix.  Also switched out snare drums and brought it up a little in the mix; that was an excellent suggestion.  It adds a little more groove to the song.
 
Yes, the acoustic tone came out really nice.  Nothing different than I usually do, but I got a great capture on this one, for some reason.  Both the acoustic and vocals are from a single MXL 63m mic.  Acoustic is pointed right at the 12th fret, about 8in away.  Don't tell the guys that think the reflection filters don't work, but I used one here, plus some shipping blankets strategically placed/ hung around my garage.  Not going to be able to be out there much longer...summer is here in TX.
2014/05/15 08:31:22
dcumpian
MakeShift
Thanks for the comments Lynn.
 
I posted a new version of this one if you get a chance to listen.  I have re-tracked ALL of the vocals.  I hope that they all sound on pitch now.  I brought the electric "crunch" guitar up a little in the mix.  Also switched out snare drums and brought it up a little in the mix; that was an excellent suggestion.  It adds a little more groove to the song.
 
Yes, the acoustic tone came out really nice.  Nothing different than I usually do, but I got a great capture on this one, for some reason.  Both the acoustic and vocals are from a single MXL 63m mic.  Acoustic is pointed right at the 12th fret, about 8in away.  Don't tell the guys that think the reflection filters don't work, but I used one here, plus some shipping blankets strategically placed/ hung around my garage.  Not going to be able to be out there much longer...summer is here in TX.




Grew up in San Antonio. Hated the summers so much I moved to Virginia. Now, I only sweat my butt off 4 months a year, lol.
 
Regards,
Dan
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