SToons- the forum is not the place for fetaure requests. The Cakewalk guys have made that clear- repeatedly. 

But it can be a place for discussion. If you feel threatened "justifying" a request, why not make it through the official channel:

 http://www.cakewalk.com/support/contact/featurerequest.aspx

backwoods


SToons- the forum is not the place for fetaure requests. The Cakewalk guys have made that clear- repeatedly. 

But it can be a place for discussion. If you feel threatened "justifying" a request, why not make it through the official channel:

http://www.cakewalk.com/support/contact/featurerequest.aspx

I did not make the request. I did not start the thread.
 
The thread is titled "Why/How/When SONAR X users can benefit from Varispeed". It is not a formal request although a request of sorts was previously made by the OP in a different thread. This thread is obviously an attempt to "justify" the request. If you have an issue with that you might have chimed in several days and a hundred posts back. And addressed it appropriately.
 
There is a big difference between "feeling threatened" and feeling like you're trying to justify something to those that seem to either ignore or misinterpet well reasoned posts. Try not to mistake the two.
 
If you want to chastize the OP for posting in the wrong forum by all means do so, but as you chose to phrase it

If you feel threatened "justifying" a request, why not make it through the official channel

let me ask - are you suggesting those that respond to requests in the Feature Request forum are less threatening and more likely to read posts more carefully and respond accordingly? Are people there more likely to take the time to understand what's written in that forum? Why would someone feel "threatened" simply because they posted in the wrong forum? Lost me there.
 
People discuss requests here often before a "feature request" is sent. "Who would like to see XY feature in Sonar X2.1?". That doesn't give posters licence to show a lack of respect when responding.
 
I also find it rather odd that you would interpret

The fact here is that often if some members of the forum don't see immediate personal use then the request is questioned, scrutinized, ridiculed, opposed...it shouldn't always be the responsibility of a poster making a request to have to justify the requests with long-winded explanations that are often not read in their entirety nor interpreted correctly. Trying to justify a request to someone who doesn't need it or doesn't understand it is one of the bigger hastles on this forum.

as someone feeling "threatened". Since most people interpret things based on how they themselves would react one can only say "Hmmm...".

Gee, why are you questioning my suggestion so vigorously..... something not quite right here.... and where is this feature request forum? 

backwoods


Gee, why are you questioning my suggestion so vigorously..... something not quite right here....

Hunh, a suggestion that included things like "threatened" in a clearly derogatory and inflammatory manner and suggested that this thread was somehow inappropriate when clearly it is not. No, not at all provocative. Again. Not like I have experienced this before with you...
I think it quite reasonable to assume why your original post was directed at me, not towards the appropriate party.
 
If I pull up the last 50 feature requests made in this forum, in how many would I find someone named backwoods has posted

the forum is not the place for fetaure requests. The Cakewalk guys have made that clear- repeatedly.
 
 

Should I be flattered that you inappropriately addressed me? 

 

You're almost frothing at the mouth there SToons.

I have nothing against Varispeed but also have nothing against ROBUST DISCUSSION- which is what this forum is for.  

p.s. I have made feature suggestions myself and have even had one taken up, but that was made on this forum and cakewalk willie communicated it for me 


"I think it quite reasonable to assume why your original post was directed at me, not towards the appropriate party. "  


my original post concerned living Room Rocker's suggestion about the possibility of RMix containing varispeed.  I directed you to the feature request link because you seemed agitated that people on this forum challenged feature suggestions. You don't need to be challenged if you have an idea and you use that link mate :)

backwoods


You're almost frothing at the mouth there SToons.

Hardly. It's called ROBUST DISCUSSION
 
Odd that most posts I make you respond to with assumptions like my feeling threatened, frothing at the mouth or being agitated. You seem to relate everything to a self-prescribed emotion. Again, quite inappropriate and inflammatory. Not hard to see a pattern here.

 
I have nothing against Varispeed but also have nothing against ROBUST DISCUSSION- which is what this forum is for.  

p.s. I have made feature suggestions myself and have even had one taken up 


"I think it quite reasonable to assume why your original post was directed at me, not towards the appropriate party. "  


my original post concerned living Room Rocker's suggestion about the possibility of RMix containing varispeed.  
 
 

Clearly I was referring to the post in which you originally addressed me. See post #101.

 
I directed you to the feature request link because you seemed agitated that people on this forum challenged feature suggestions.
 
 

You're mistaken, I see nothing wrong with challenging a feature request. How is not reading a post thoroughly and then responding to it inaccurately "challenging" a feature request?. It's just plain inappropriate and disrespectful.

My comments were:
"The fact here is that often if some members of the forum don't see immediate personal use then the request is questioned, scrutinized, ridiculed, opposed...it shouldn't always be the responsibility of a poster making a request to have to justify the requests with long-winded explanations that are often not read in their entirety nor interpreted correctly. Trying to justify a request to someone who doesn't need it or doesn't understand it is one of the bigger hastles on this forum. "

mike_mccue


Just in case anyone missed it:

from: http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2663473

"Hammond organs, REAL grand pianos, Fender Rhodes, nasty old Clavi's, pipe organs, pump organs, harps, accordions, harmonicas, zithers, melodicas, harpsichords, tubular bells, ethnic drums, 12-strings, sitars, xylophones, native american wood flutes, bagpipes, autoharps, bowed psaltries, pan flutes, Farfisas, dumb little toy keyboards... dang- it's a long list of coolness!"

Digital DAWs are not mechanical unfortunately.
 
Transposing, pitch shifting and even frequency shifting are the options you have with digital.
 
What's called 'Varispeed' in a DAW (See Logic 9 they actually call it Varispeed, Reason, Reaper etc... to see how it works in a digital DAW context) works different than 'Varispeed' on a tape deck or turntable, you wouldn't use it for the function you require.
 
Transpose or pitch shift the mix so the player can track to it in tune, pitch shift/transpose the stem back again once you've captured the performance.  The advantage you have over the old days is you can keep the tempo the same, analog varispeed would alter it in order to get the pitch shift.
 
Sonar would benefit from 'Varispeed' but not for the purpose you are citing, you've been given the best options for doing that already, they've been available for years, and in Sonar too.
 
Some people offered you several different solutions, you have acknowledged one of them and ignored the rest in your insistance of making a lame point.
 
It would certainly be cool to see it in Sonar but you can already get what you are talking about doing in Sonar already, as you will have learned if you had the courtesy to read the replies you got.
 
It works this way in every DAW context I've come across so far:  This is how Sonar users can benefit from Varispeed.
 

Varispeed isn’t the sort of tool you’ll need to use every day, but it’s the sort of tool that you like to know is available to you. Every now and then you’re halfway through a project when you decide that the tempo just isn’t right and the song should be slower or faster. Varispeed allows you to determine which tempo suits the song better, quickly and easily.
Alternatively, you may be having trouble recording a difficult part in the song. While Varispeed may not be your first port of call, after struggling with the part for too long it’s convenient to be able to slow the whole project down, record your part, and snap it back to normal speed afterwards. Your new part will be in time with everything else.
If you feel like a cheater recording the part slower, at least you can practice at a slower tempo before working your way back up.
And, for maximum fun, Varispeed can be used as an effect as well.

I would agree the little slider on a tape deck or turntable, named 'Varispeed', was cool quick and responsive but it's not as simple in the digital domain due to the tie in with sample rates, so some transposition algo, has to emulate that idea, getting it working in real time is still the challenge.
 
Transposing/shifting a static sample of your mix and stem is still the simplest, most effective, way to go here, which is why zPlane Elastique got mentioned.

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yorolpal


What are these instruments that can't be tuned or are near impossible to tune that you speak of?  And who the heck plays them?

For instance, I have been recording bagpipes for decades.  Most chanters are pitched sharp of Bb, the key they are supposed to be in. 
Lay down backing tracks in the correct pitch, make the whole mix slightly sharp using vari-speed (which really just changes the sample rate incrementally), track the pipes and then return to the proper speed.  Did this a million times with tape and even with a digital stand-alone (old Yamaha AW 2816). Works like a charm! It would be a very helpful feature!

Mike, I know there are options.  I actually use them already, not for transposing though.
 
Use zPlane and you can stay in Sonar, its less of a pain than loading up another app, which is something you made clear already you didn't want to do. In fact zPlane are behind much of the recent licensing that's made 'Varispeed' viable in some DAWs in recent years. 
 
And why are you portraying yourself as a Monkey lately?  Monkey's are cute.