No snook, it is not the same. That is my dilemma. These class of vsts are inserted in an audio track, not a midi track. I think ones like chord space player accept a midi signal and modify it, like create a chord from a single note, and pass it to a soft synth track. This is essentially a midi through. From what I have figured out so far sonar has no capacity to see a midi output from an audio vst natively. Midi loop back drivers offer a very clunky workaround as well as the old direct xer program which installs it own loopbackmdrivers. Looks like my best hope is hosting a plug in like energy xt which has its own internal routing and seeing if I can get sonar to see something. Anybody else have any ideas please chime in.