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2011/02/22 07:39:11
stevenpanter
Keni

Yeah... I not only agree, I believe they should have done the same with TV and made the entire Silverlight interface an option! More involved for them, but would have squelched a huge amount of disappointments and the likes...


Keni
I think so too. Having said all that though, I'm finding that the addition of a good control surface (a Mackie MCU Pro in my case - love it!) eliminates a lot of time spent looking at Sonar because of the functionality available. Not so much of a problem then!

2011/02/22 08:12:11
Danny Danzi
giankap


I believe that the main reason of the simplified interface has a lot to do with fatigue. It's been proved that the more the colors, the more our brain tries harder in order to stay focused. When you work for long periods with many colors and you don't know basic tachniques in order to rest your eyes from time to time, you are likely to experience headaches!!!

read about this, you'll learn a lot!
http://sangrea.net/ohs_dbase/colour-color.htm

Actually if my memory serves me right, one of the bakers commented that they felt it was best to have less color options so we could get more work done. Though I can appreciate the concept, I would have liked to have had a poll or something regarding this. Color options and the like, should always be made available in my opinion and it gets left to the user to spend the time tweaking colors or not. That's one thing I really like about Reaper...if you can dream it up, you can just about have it. I'd also love the ability to just right click on an area and be able to adjust its colors by seeing a color menu come up. When I right click it, it knows what module and space I selected. Some of the Sonar color text explanations have always been a guessing game for me. Maybe I'm just a dope, but sometimes THAT was the thing that was time consuming. To me trying to figure out what was what by trial and error was more time consuming than being able to adjust colors once you knew what part you were adjusting.
 
Some people just look at a DAW for work, others look at it kinda like a soul mate. And when you're looking at something for several hours per day, several days per week, you would love for it to be YOUR DAW with YOUR colors....and have as many options as possible for those colors. Sure, it's all about making music in a timely fashion as well, but there is nothing worse than not enjoying the look of a DAW in the recording realm these days. I hated pro tools years ago because it just reminded me of DOS. I didn't care how powerful it supposedly was or who was using it, it just looked like @ss and there was no way I could sit there with it for all the hours I work. It really is important to some people and several of us have voiced our opinions on this.
 
What gets me is when I see "the helper team" as I'll call them, creating cool things for us to use within the program. You know, guys like Ben and panup, the other guy that was making custom faders and LED colors. Cake sees the interest in this, why the heck won't they give us these options? The threads about that stuff are miles long with several views. I really do find stuff like that annoying and thank God for guys like "the helper team" hooking us up with cool stuff. How hard could it be for Cake to implement that stuff? Instead of someone over there saying to themselves "those poor baystids are going to corrupt their .dll's or their res files...heck, we could implement this into the system for them...there seems to be plenty of interest." We even had a huge thread on color schemes that Child hooked us up with. That thread is a monster....yet, they take our color options away and additional tweaking? LOL! That just makes no sense to me really. Some people are hobbiests....they would enjoy tweaking their DAW to their specs because when they use it, they wanna be blown away by not only how it works, but how it looks. For the pros, even more so because it's nice to impress clients to where they say "dude, that's the new Sonar...wow it looks badass and what a killer color scheme!"
 
For example, I'm a video game junkie. I have been since I was 8 years old. I'll buy a racing game for Xbox 360 and spend 4 hours with different paint jobs on the cars before I run my first race. LOL! I just dig stuff like that. You know, trying to be different and experimenting is part of the fun of tweaking ANY option really. So yeah, this is extremely important to me Boogit and I sincerely hope the Cake guys are listening to us. When X1 works well for me and I push the little annoying things to the side, I almost don't pay attention to the colors...or lack there of. Probably because I'm too busy watching every little thing I do so I don't really allow it to get to me. But once things are fixed and running smoothly, it's definitely going to have more of an impact on me for sure. I've shelved it for the time being though and will start fresh after the X1b update if all goes well. :)
2011/02/24 04:25:10
Keni
stevenpanter


Keni

Yeah... I not only agree, I believe they should have done the same with TV and made the entire Silverlight interface an option! More involved for them, but would have squelched a huge amount of disappointments and the likes...


Keni
I think so too. Having said all that though, I'm finding that the addition of a good control surface (a Mackie MCU Pro in my case - love it!) eliminates a lot of time spent looking at Sonar because of the functionality available. Not so much of a problem then!


Hi Steven...

I can undeerstand some use for a control surface... They can be very helpful, but that will not keep me from looking at Sonar... I still need to see what I'm doing... For basic things such as transport control... sure.... As to faders? I prefer to write my level/pan changes than to execute them on a controller... I get (exactly) what I want much faster... I do have an old controller (the Peavey Studiomix) and while it's far from a great controller, I use it in the tracking room for remote control of Sonar when I'm recording my vocals and such... (transport)...

But all the editing I do requires Sonar... I don't see how a controller will change that for editing (splitting/copying/moving clips etc.)

Keni

2011/02/24 08:10:03
Katie_Katie
Danny Stated:
"Actually if my memory serves me right, one of the bakers commented that they felt it was best to have less color options so we could get more work done."
 
Well, maybe they have a similar mind-set to auto makers.  Maybe with less color we can drive faster.
 
I am starting to wonder if the "less color" is part of the new millennium.   I don't know if any of you have been car shopping lately, but the color choices are dismal.   One of the cars I'm looking at is the Audi A8 (favorite).   Here are the color choices....and I kid you not.  Other makes MB S550 and BMW740, limited and similar muted colors.  I don't get it.
 
White
Black Metallic
Very Dark Beige
Black Metallic
Silver Metallic
Night Blue (Dark)
Gray
Gray Metallic
Black Pearl
 
This looks similar to the color palette of X1...humm...I wonder if the same guy that picked the colors for CW......Nah...can't be.
 
2011/02/24 08:15:30
trimph1
It's the new rage!!

Colour Minimalism!!!!    


We should be so lucky that they did not choose neutrals.....
2011/02/24 08:28:47
stratman70
I am guessing an individuals workflow comes in to play here. The colors don't bother me at all. Started with CWPA6 and upgraded every time except Sonar 2 and I have never changed the colors. well maybe once. But I sure did customize everything else.
Which, of course, I also miss dearly
2011/02/24 10:42:47
c5_convertible
trimph1


It's the new rage!!

Colour Minimalism!!!!    


We should be so lucky that they did not choose neutrals.....


It's not really new... Henry Ford said when he introduced the Model T "you can have it in any color, as long as it is black"... :)
2012/09/22 02:51:53
blindguitar
YES! YES! YES!
I have been away from Sonar so looking to save some time and get an answer. I actually recently posted a question on this.
Has x2 jumped on board with the rest of the world or are the options still the same? My real concern is the console. Can you change colors? Not "color group" but actually change the entire strip like other DAW's Man, it means the world when mixing for several hours and trying to find tracks. Actually, everything in this thread is spot on....for me that is. Is any of this in x2?
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