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2012/09/17 11:49:10
konradh
Although I don't like their other products at all, I have a few pair of Bose headphones ( around $150 each, if I remember correctly) that I use for tracking and vocals.  EQ-wise, they sound very close to both my currently connected sets of near-field monitors, with a very slight increase in the midrange—but that is actually good as it is more representative of how most people will hear a mix.

I mix on open air monitors, but check the phones periodically.  I would never send something out the door that I had not listended to on phones (and on earbuds and in a car and in an ipod dock and in a jambox ).   After all that, I should send it to CJ and find out what I messed up!

Stereo imaging is always unnatural on phones, but you know that and it is how 90% of your audience will hear your product anyway.
2012/09/17 12:01:19
Beepster
@bitflipper... Yeah, I've heard that. The 280s will get delegated to tracking if I can ever afford the MT50s (or something better). For now I'll be doing the reference juggle between different systems... but it won't be NEARLY as bad as back in the old days. For lack of money I used a really crappy pair of Sony's and my home stereo for monitoring. That was a real pain but I had access to dozens of other systems in the area to test stuff on and even my engineering buddies were surprised at what I produced using my non-gear. Also because of the layout of my "studio" (aka my wacky bedroom) I was essentially in a hallway with an angled ceiling and my stereo speakers were on the floor under my desk. My set up is far from perfect now but man is it a lot better than that mayhem. lol
2012/09/17 13:54:38
jamesyoyo
I use my Ultrasones 650 quite a bit for real detail work. They have incredible separation and never give me ear fatigue...probably since I don't have to tturn them up real loud.

But mixing on them? That has always proven to be tough once I turn my monitors back on.
2012/09/17 14:06:47
Mesh
jamesyoyo


I use my Ultrasones 650 quite a bit for real detail work. They have incredible separation and never give me ear fatigue...probably since I don't have to tturn them up real loud.

But mixing on them? That has always proven to be tough once I turn my monitors back on.

+1 on the Ultrasone's.
 
I have the 750's.....
 
http://www.ultrasone.com/index.php/en/products/pro-750.html
2012/09/17 14:32:24
jwh
Anyone using KRK KNS 8400 Phones, I've heard these are good, also Shure SRH 840 Phones
any thoughts on these ?

Thanks
John
2012/09/17 14:45:09
synkrotron
I've had a pair of beyerdynamic DT-250's for years now and I'm still getting along okay with them. This topic has made me do a bit of research and it looks like specifications of my DT-250's are pretty much up there with the rest of them.

Oh, I mix with them pretty much in entirety. I bought some Tannoy Active Reveals a bit ago only to find out that I had bought a bit of a lemon so I hardly use them any more. And, like a few here, I mix at home and so headphones is the only real option until I win the lottery and buy a cottage in the middle of nowhere.

I do the usual and burn to CD so that I can check a mix on a number of systems, so I understand where my headphones are "letting me down" and that is mainly in the bass department.
2012/09/17 15:12:44
Bristol_Jonesey
bitflipper


You're not alone, Beepster. I use HD280's, too. But for tracking, not mixing. Great isolation for monitoring while singing. But too bass-light for mixing.

Yep - that's where the HD25's are bit of a let down as they don't completely cover your ears. It's only when listening back on phones that I can hear the bleed being recorded along with whatever the mic was pointed at - usually a voice
2012/09/17 15:25:53
CJaysMusic
I use the old AKG - K240's and to me, they represent the actual sound. These phones do not hype anything. I love checking my mixes with them. I hope they never break, as i think they are discontinued.

CJ
2012/09/17 15:46:07
jwh
CJaysMusic


I use the old AKG - K240's and to me, they represent the actual sound. These phones do not hype anything. I love checking my mixes with them. I hope they never break, as i think they are discontinued.

CJ

          CJ,
          What about a set of AKG - K271's have you any thoughts on these ?


          John
2012/09/17 17:06:52
cclarry


I also just recently paired my ATH-50's with a Focusrite VRM Box. It's revolutionizing the mixing process for me and I think your headphone mixes will improve 500% by using one. 



So I picked up the Focusrite VRM today for $79...and I must say it's a pretty impressive 
little box.....quite a wide variety of monitors and 3 different "atmospheres"
to listen in...(VRM stands for Virtual Reference Monitors, in case you didn't know)

The Yamaha NS10, which they call the Japanese White Classic,  a standard in most Studios...
KRK Rokit6 G2
Auratone 5C
An American Passive and British Studio, not sure what these are supposed to be...
Genelec 1031A
KRK VXT 8
Adams S2.5A
Rogers LS3-5A
Stirling LS3-5A 

Some British Hi Fi speakers, both 80's and 90's, computer desktop speakers, micro bookshelf system, and 26" Flat Screen speakers.

It will definitely help with my mixes, that much is for sure...sound quality is quite simply "stunning"

It's like owning an assortment of high and low end monitors, having them hooked to your DAW, and being able to turn a switch to listen to your mix on each set...and compare how your mix sounds on each - that's a pretty good "reference" source if you ask me...dynamic range is 108db - that's pretty darn good too....
It connects via ASIO USB or S/PDIF (which is what I'm using, as the ASIO is limited to 48K, and I record in 96K)
Of course, as sharke says, it's not the same as actually listening to the REAL speakers, but it is a darn good substitute for spending about 5 grand on monitors to "compare" your mix in....especially when your working for peanuts in the first place...

Just thought I throw my 2 cents in...
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