I've gotten lazy and pretty much do all my recording as loop recording these days...screw up a take, no problem...miss the intro, no problem...much of the time I don't even select different sections, I just choose the best take and delete everything else.

I've always gotten around the navigation issue by keeping the Marker View onscreen. Single-click on an entry to jump to that marker. Couldn't be quicker or easier, unless maybe you could assign keyboard shortcuts to each marker (like maybe the numeric keypad).

My biggest gripe is the arbitrary re-assignment of keyboard shortcuts in each new SONAR version. Sure, you can re-bind them but it's a pain. What's the first thing you do when you're organizing a project? Insert markers as it's playing by pressing F11 at critical points. In X2, F11 opens full-screen mode, whatever that means. If I put it back to Insert Marker, I then have to find a suitable replacement for the new function that doesn't conflict with some other existing or changed shortcut. 

I do try to keep it all in perspective, though. We no longer have to wait while the tape rewinds and then scrub to the punch-in point. We no longer have to take copious notes so the session can be set up again the next day. No patch bays to reconfigure, no dials to dial in. No razor-blades. No demagnetizers. Unlimited bounces, pristine signal-to-noise ratios. And the godsend that is Un-Do. All in all, I am very happy with the digital world.

bitflipper
 

I do try to keep it all in perspective, though. We no longer have to wait while the tape rewinds and then scrub to the punch-in point. We no longer have to take copious notes so the session can be set up again the next day. No patch bays to reconfigure, no dials to dial in. No razor-blades. No demagnetizers. Unlimited bounces, pristine signal-to-noise ratios. And the godsend that is Un-Do. All in all, I am very happy with the digital world.

+1,000,000

navigating a project the way you want to navigate means having the tools to do so and markers are a valuable tool but if we can use buttons to go were we want and or foot controllers then we get to use certain other features as well. Namely snapshots which to me is an area of greater creative potential I am presently exploring so navigating to a specific marker would be extremely nice to have. If you can't see a use for it then perhaps I will be selling a course to educate you on why and how this can be used later on. .

bitflipper


I've always gotten around the navigation issue by keeping the Marker View onscreen. Single-click on an entry to jump to that marker. Couldn't be quicker or easier, unless maybe you could assign keyboard shortcuts to each marker (like maybe the numeric keypad).

My biggest gripe is the arbitrary re-assignment of keyboard shortcuts in each new SONAR version. Sure, you can re-bind them but it's a pain. What's the first thing you do when you're organizing a project? Insert markers as it's playing by pressing F11 at critical points. In X2, F11 opens full-screen mode, whatever that means. If I put it back to Insert Marker, I then have to find a suitable replacement for the new function that doesn't conflict with some other existing or changed shortcut. 

I do try to keep it all in perspective, though. We no longer have to wait while the tape rewinds and then scrub to the punch-in point. We no longer have to take copious notes so the session can be set up again the next day. No patch bays to reconfigure, no dials to dial in. No razor-blades. No demagnetizers. Unlimited bounces, pristine signal-to-noise ratios. And the godsend that is Un-Do. All in all, I am very happy with the digital world.

+1, very well said!

Anderton


I've gotten lazy and pretty much do all my recording as loop recording these days...screw up a take, no problem...miss the intro, no problem...much of the time I don't even select different sections, I just choose the best take and delete everything else.

I enjoy recording my own stuff the way you describe.




But, it seems to me to be a very different approach than practicing my habit of asking visiting artists how they want to produce their music and then facilitating their desires quickly and gracefully as an act of competent service provision.

I like to keep a session going at the artists sense of pace rather then inform them that I can't press R until I work through a ninja kludge work around.

I imagine most people just finally learn to use a different DAW on those days. ;-)


best regards,
mike

Mackie MCU's allow you move back and forth to any markers with the touch of a button. And I learned very early on that punch in/out recording is archaic. I have no use for it.

The first post was fun to read because I found your workflow is similar to mine. I also record a lot of vocals and real instruments.

I think I could create a toolbar button to my Duckbar utility to rewind and jump to wanted marker and keep playback on...

I have set "Go to previous marker" and "Go to next marker" commands to keys 1 and 2 (over Q and W keys). Arrow keys left and right are "Go to previous measure" and "Go to next measure". They're much more logical than the default Ctrl-PgUp/PgDown. Navigating with my custom bindings is fast and easy. :)

+1 Bitflipper!

Keybindable markers would go a long way. Especially, if we have them mapped to a control-surface. That would give us a simple locator system. Just posted about this the other day.

In Sonar 8.5 there are 12 marker shortcuts right on the transport. For whatever reason this was removed in X1. Or maybe its just moved. I can't find it anywhere. Post up if you know where it is in X1.

Have I missed something or does F5 no longer Go To whatever measure you tell it to? If there's a problematic section that's difficult for the performer, just set the cursor to return to the start point when you hit the space bar. You're always ready that way. Use a lot of markers and bounce back and forth between them. I've got Cntrl B (for Back) bound to Previous Marker and Cntrl N (for Next) bound to Next Marker. Easy navigation - at least for me.