dear Beatzmidiot- no, not at all- it wouldn't damage the previously created tracks. Try Vari-Speed in Reaper if you don't remember it from the old analog days. Now in a project with un-frozen MIDI tracks, that may be different/more difficult, depending on how well they could implement Vari-Speed in Sonar. I bet they could even implement it without tempo change in the new world order, but- hey- easy for me to say!

But Vari-Speed just raises or lowers the playback speed/pitch of everything while you track a new instrument. Then you can turn it off and everything should be the same as it was. 


And panup- sure... it's easy to jump sequentially from one marker to another- one by one- forward or backward... But that's not like having a marker available at one button by it's number, instantly. 

BEATZM1D10T

southpaw3473


...Vari-speed...

You do understand this would impact the track's tempo and pitch, not just the pitch, correct?
 
You'd have to re-record everything if you needed to re-pitch one instrument.

LOL.

I'll guessing your *clients*, the ones who never "comment about the colors on my DAW" just ignore stuff like that because they've figured out they have a lot more important things to worry about when your you are working the magic.


LMAOROFL


Good times!


best regards,
mike




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evansmalley


dear Beatzmidiot- no, not at all- it wouldn't damage the previously created tracks. Try Vari-Speed in Reaper if you don't remember it from the old analog days. Now in a project with un-frozen MIDI tracks, that may be different/more difficult, depending on how well they could implement Vari-Speed in Sonar. I bet they could even implement it without tempo change in the new world order, but- hey- easy for me to say!

But Vari-Speed just raises or lowers the playback speed/pitch of everything while you track a new instrument. Then you can turn it off and everything should be the same as it was. 


And panup- sure... it's easy to jump sequentially from one marker to another- one by one- forward or backward... But that's not like having a marker available at one button by it's number, instantly. 

Evansmalley,
 
1) If you record everything to 1 tape and slow it down/speed it up to change pitch all tracks on that tape will be affected according to the speed change ratio.
 
2) If you record to one tape at a certain speed and in time to another tape, then slow one down/speed it up to change the pitch to match, the two performances will no longer match up. 

BEATZM1D10T

 

Evansmalley,
 
1) If you record everything to 1 tape and slow it down/speed it up to change pitch all tracks on that tape will be affected according to the speed change ratio.
 
2) If you record to one tape at a certain speed and in time to another tape, then slow one down/speed it up to change the pitch to match, the two performances will no longer match up. 

If you slow the tape down, play or sing along at the lower pitch, and then return to the normal tape speed everything works just fine. People have used this technique to record "fast" guitar solos or to aid the vocalists "range" for decades.

mike_mccue

ROTFL

SToons

BEATZM1D10T

 

Evansmalley,
 
1) If you record everything to 1 tape and slow it down/speed it up to change pitch all tracks on that tape will be affected according to the speed change ratio.
 
2) If you record to one tape at a certain speed and in time to another tape, then slow one down/speed it up to change the pitch to match, the two performances will no longer match up. 

If you slow the tape down, play or sing along at the lower pitch, and then return to the normal tape speed everything works just fine. People have used this technique to record "fast" guitar solos or to aid the vocalists "range" for decades.

Correct. Recording to a previously tracked performance is one thing. It's entirely different to fixing it post.

> And panup- sure... it's easy to jump sequentially from one marker to another- one by one- forward or backward... But that's not like having a marker available at one button by it's number, instantly.

In my demo video I made direct jumps to markers. Not forward-backward... It's possible by sending SONAR suitable keystrokes. Direct keybindings would of course be better.

BEATZM1D10T

southpaw3473


I get around just fine with custom key bindings and my setup is fairly straightforward. I use two monitors-one has track view and the other is console view. I can do 90% of my work this way.

Vari-speed is an absolute must! I record a lot of ethnic instruments for clients and myself. Recording bagpipes or bombard is almost impossible without being able to adjust the other tracks to the pitch of the instrument. In the old analog days most tape machines had a tape speed knob. I miss it.

You do understand this would impact the track's tempo and pitch, not just the pitch, correct?
 
You'd have to re-record everything if you needed to re-pitch one instrument.

Of course the tempo changes but we're not talking about using vari-speed to transpose.  For instance, I have been recording bagpipes for decades.  Most chanters are pitched sharp of Bb, the key they are supposed to be in. 

Lay down backing tracks in the correct pitch, make the whole mix slightly sharp using vari-speed (which really just changes the sample rate incrementally), track the pipes and then return to the proper speed.  Did this a million times with tape and even with a digital stand-alone (old Yamaha AE 2816). Works like a charm! It would be a very helpful feature!

konradh


I think my issue is more with the V-Studio (control surface).  It allows a button to be programmed as Next Marker but not as Previous Marker and there is nothing like the locate buttons on an MCI transport.

Singers are very sensitive.  Go back a few beats too far and they lose their note or feel.  Get too close to the punch point and they aren't ready.  A button that jumps back to the same point everytime would be good.  When working on a console it is less convenient to mouse click around.

All that said, this is not a huge deal.

I always use "On Stop, Rewind to Now Marker" when I record vocals. (..or record anything for that matter) :)

Just hit stop and play to listen to the recording
Or hit stop, undo and record to undo the take and start a new recording from the exact same spot as last time