clintmartin


Well, without a doubt the HD500 is far better than TH2. I deleted my demo and will continue to try and get something useable with TH2 producer...Later. It's still a great freebie from Sonar, but it's not to the HD500 level. I agree the Fractal Axe fx II is as good as anything a amp and mic has to offer. The Kemper may be too. I actually think we should be beyond the comparisons. They are different technologies and yield different results, but I don't think one is better than the other anymore. It depends on what your ears want to hear.

amiller-you just hit the nail on the head about the axeFXII-recording-for me anyway, I am also in a home studio and for me to record so flawlessly (well, the sound, not me :-) ) is amazing. I use my Mackie HR624MKII's to monitor. If I want to get real loud I use my headphones. Tough to do with an amp. That is why I went for it almost 4 years ago. I started with one of the 1st modelers ever-the Boss GX700-made me a ton of $$-using it with my Musicman112RD50.
I still am saving for my dream amp-mesa Boogie-Express 5:25 PLUS. When I go out and jam that is what I will use. I am almost there.

I would love to have the Axefx II, but for now it's out of reach. I wonder how good some of the other modelers are...The digitech stuff, Zoom G5, Fender Mustang floor. I won't consider the Eleven Rack ( I hate Avid). I like having the modeler in a hardware format. It just avoids so many problems with latency. I wish Fractal would come out with a scaled down floor version with 20 amps, 20 effects, 20 cabs, and 20 mics. They could call it the Axefx 20! $999 sounds like a good price.

clintmartin


I would love to have the Axefx II, but for now it's out of reach. I wonder how good some of the other modelers are...The digitech stuff, Zoom G5, Fender Mustang floor. I won't consider the Eleven Rack ( I hate Avid). I like having the modeler in a hardware format. It just avoids so many problems with latency. I wish Fractal would come out with a scaled down floor version with 20 amps, 20 effects, 20 cabs, and 20 mics. They could call it the Axefx 20! $999 sounds like a good price.

Hey Clint
Thant comes up a lot on the Fractal forum. I would buy it as a backup. All I can say is a repeat of what I said-How much is an amp, bunch of pedals, a mic to mic it...well you know what I mean.
To answer your question it is pretty well a given that nothing can touch the axeFXII. Not bragging, just glad I have one.
I have played all of them-except the Kemper and the zoom. The axe is just in another league. When you have people like Steve Vai and John Petrucci using it for FX that kind of tells you about the qaulity of the fx. Many others are using it as their main rig. So it's not hype, it's just a fact. The guy, Cliff Chase just creates these
[size=3 font="times new roman"]algorithms that nobody ever has before. I had to sell things to get it-But most import really is what has been said already: Whatever works for you and your music cannot be wrong. No matter who made it. Tell you though-the 11 rack is suppose to be pretty cool-but tied into Avisd and paid Firmware upgrades is a joke. The AxeFXII only came out about a year ago and we are already on FW8.0-all free of course.

Stratman:
I have played all of them-except the Kemper and the zoom. The axe is just in another league.


It's just amazing that you guys can say with certainty someday maybe, or never-when you have not had the device that has bridged that gap.That is all I was saying.

Its also  amazing that you guy can say with certainty that the kremper is not as good as the axe,read your own post.

If one has spent 2000 bucks and more for an emulation,
sure this person defends his decision.But it´s still an simulation.
 
The line has not been crossed between modlers and amps-now,cause 
this technology is still used for simulation.
If the digital technology will once be used for new,original
(then digital- ) sounds it will be accepted as a step forward.
cheers

Its amazing what facts become after spending your own money on them... For instance, that strat Im holding is the best playing guitar in the world!!!

Hi mikey,
no, my Dan Paula is the best guitar in the world,
I  play Es 335, the Strat and Yamaha TVL, Gibsons and PRS,forget them..... 
but the Dean Paula is the best.
best regards 

mikey


Its amazing what facts become after spending your own money on them... For instance, that strat Im holding is the best playing guitar in the world!!!

So now it's an argument? Fine-How can you attempt to dismiss something someone says without having played thru one for a while-I was trying to be nice-now you 2 want to be smug-OK-Their is no bridge because The AxeFXII is there already.
Smug -know it alls like you guys are sad, very sad.
 
I have compared the kemper and the axeFXII- have you? It IS a known fact that the Kemper cannot do nearly as much as the axe, it's not my facts, it's real facts. You know, why do I bother with smug know it alls
 
I am sure you 2 arer the best at everything. You knock something you know NOTHING about.
Also try learning before you speak bcause neither one of you knopw what your talking about.
 
And why does $$$ keep coming into it? My amps and pedals and mics cost more than an AxeFXII.
Smug-uniformed wanna bees.

Pragi


Stratman:
I have played all of them-except the Kemper and the zoom. The axe is just in another league.


It's just amazing that you guys can say with certainty someday maybe, or never-when you have not had the device that has bridged that gap.That is all I was saying.

Its also  amazing that you guy can say with certainty that the kremper is not as good as the axe,read your own post.

If one has spent 2000 bucks and more for an emulation,
sure this person defends his decision.But it´s still an simulation.

The line has not been crossed between modlers and amps-now,cause 
this technology is still used for simulation.
If the digital technology will once be used for new,original
(then digital- ) sounds it will be accepted as a step forward.
cheers

So you cannot tell by ear, or by the feel and dynamics the difference of 2 recorded songs-one with an amp and one with an simulation of that amp- That's abad thing? No it means modellers are there. Go listen to some of the tests.
 
I guess you need that amp visual for your insecurity. Your digital dribble is a joke. What the heck is the difference what they call it. If I can have a modeller that lets me have the SAME SOUND,same feel, same pick dynamics as an amp and then gives me a ton of exotic amps I never, ever would have been able to afford, I'll take it. I don't need the visual. Gives me delays and reverbs and choruss, etc that are on par with Eventides, I'll take it. Gives me a multitude of Speaker cabs. I'll take it.
 
I create MUSIC-I don't care what I am playing thru, what it looks like or smells like. If it is the sound and feel of my favorite amps, but not my amps-I'm in. When the simulation becomes = to the actual amp___why bother carrying the heavy amp. mics. speaker cabs, etc. To be cool?
Do your homework Smug and Smug jr 

"So now it's an argument?"
LOL not hardly Stratty... No need for snot bubbles here.. Just pullin on yer Axe fx chain bud....  Im not knockin a thing, I "had" an Ultra so I do know what the II should be able to do... So there is no need for such bravado with me.  You should be proud of the FX II you have. Better watch out though, or those buttons on yer chest may bust off and take out an eye... 




And no way Pragi son.... Dan Paula is a girly strung wash bucket compared to my manly 6 string whammy monsta HAHAHAHA!!! SMUG SMUG SMUG SMUG....  

It's amazing how much of a heated debate people get into over the Axe-FX.  And it varies from forum to forum as well.  It seems like the recording forums are full of people who balk at the price or try to say that it can't sound as good as a tube amp, whereas the forums for true afficianados of guitar gear seem to give the Axe-FX a lot more love.  

Many of us who have gone the Axe-FX route end up selling more in amps and pedals/FX than we spent on the Axe-FX, which really makes the cost much less of an issue.  And even if you don't factor that in, I feel that the Axe-FX is worth it.  I started with an Ultra and ended up selling that when the II was announced because I wanted to stay cutting edge.  In the time I was on the waitlist for the II I tried to get by with the software plugins, but they just didn't cut it for me.  Even at the lowest latency they didn't have the feel of the Axe-FX and the sound wasn't there either.  (I wish I could sell the plugins now and get anything near the resale value I got from my Ultra, LOL.)  I really hoped that they would work for me, but when my number came up on the list I was happy to get the Axe-FX II. 

Haven't tried the Kemper, but amp matching really doesn't interest me very much.  (I've used the matching features in the Axe-FX and while nice, I've gone back to turning knobs to get the sound I want.)  I have heard it's very nice and on many of the guitar forums it is ranked up there with the Axe-FX.  It seems to be more along the lines of which workflow you prefer as to which you like better.