John
JB101, That post was outstanding.
I don't see the reason for the negative comments by Mike unless its based in bitterness that X1 is clearly a success.
Further people have scrutinized and tested these modules and they seem to hold up well against far more expensive plugins and the PC as a channel strip is unbeatable for its very low CPU usage. CW has been very forth coming with documentation on just how they are designed.
As to it being proprietary that could be seen as a mark against them. On the other hand why would CW give out that technology to be used in any DAW? It makes X1 producer unique and a DAW to envy. It has something no one else has. In this case its the sound without a massive CPU hit.
Being flippest about a breakthrough of this sort just reeks of sour grapes.
I completely agree, John. I think 90% of Sonar users will like the PC stuff. I personally would love to see the PC plugs come with the program but understand their needs to sell them. I also sort of share what Mike is talking about, but I wouldn't put it as harsh. I have loads of plugs. I would say the majority of them (including the UAD plugs) are "different" than the PC plugs, not really better. Some are definitely better, but it depends on how the stuff gets used as well as the material you use it on. I can also say that I feel some of the PC plugs are better than some of the stuff I've paid top dollar for as well.
For example, I've heard people I hold in high regard praise the Fab Filter stuff. I don't particularly like it. I've got friends that love the Sonnox stuff....I hate it. It's nice to have that PC stuff there as an option as well as having my UAD, Waves, Fab Filter or anything else. They are just different tools really. Some of the PC modules are a bit high in my opinion and the reason being, what Mike said. You're paying close to what some of the well known plug companies charge and yet you can only use this stuff in Sonar. I'm not bashing their methods, I just don't totally agree with them.
At the end of the day, it's really nice to see a bunch of plugs that are completely visible to me right in PC without double clicking on an effects bin plug. That alone makes me gravitate towards them. The fact that they work well and look cool is icing on the cake.
For example, I've compared the PC2A to the Waves and UAD versions. They all behave a bit differently yet perform well in different situations. I don't feel the PC Concrete Limiter stacks up to the PSP Xenon, but I'd say it gives the Waves L1 a run for its money. I think the PC bus comp is every bit as good as the Waves SSL yet has it's own way of handling things. The 76 is really close to the other 76's I have, but I feel it doesn't quite stack up to the UAD 1176 pack. Then again, it shouldn't....that's 4 plugs against one there as I have 4 different 1176's modeled from....4 different 1176's. LOL! (one that came with the UAD card, the others were part of a classic package) The gate/expander is as good as any gate/expander I've used. I'm not a fan of ANY of the Saturation plugs from anyone...but the one with the big knob is kinda cool due to the high/mid/low option it gives for a little control on where it sizzles.
So they all have a place really and are just more tools for my tool box. I do have plugs that do whay they do...sure. We all do. Are they necessities? This will always be in the ears and workflow of the beholder. If someone can afford them, I say yeah...they make Sonar a bit more complete and I'm glad I have them all. The more you do this stuff (especially in a money making situation) the more you appreciate having more options because you just never know what you'll be faced with tomorrow. :)
-Danny