myconsumerclub


hopefully you can R click on a take and audition it with FX.

That's a cool idea!


If these take lanes are anything like what I've seen in other DAWs the lanes will playback through the main track's output so yo'll get the same FX, levels and pan as the main track. If not, I'd be royaly surprised

In the video it they fold into the track just like automation lanes. So it is most definitely and enhancement over the layers which I use a lot. Very carefully mind you. They have caused me lots of frustration over the years. 

I'm excited about Take Lanes. This is what Layers should have been. For comping, I like the way both Cubase and Pro Tools handle this, but with one exception. In Pro Tools you can screw up the order in which takes are presented if you use the old playlist feature to show a different playlist at any point. This actually reorders the takes in the lanes, which is pointless, confusing, and not well planned out on Avid's part.

Hopefully in X2 the Take Lanes will either work consistently at a basic level (with minimal comping features included) or with comping features included and done correctly. I'm excited about Take Lanes but would ignore any comping features if they aren't thought out well.

Peace,

Tunes

Beepster


I really dislike the way takes are handled in X1 so this is bound to be better. I agree that the takes should stay in order instead of flopping around all over the place. I mean what's up with that? Layers hidden: Last take goes on top, first take goes on the bottom. Layers shown: Same thing. It just doesn't make sense the way it is right now.

Not sure I agree or understand what this is supposed to mean.

All of my layered takes always appear in the order in which they were recorded. Are you saying they don't?

I was going to mention Pro Tools but see it's already mentioned. Looking at it quickly, it looks pretty much the same as the Take Lanes in X2. What's different? Or has X2 simply copied Pro Tools (or whoever started it first)? I've never used Pro Tools before, this is just from seeing screenshots.

Along the same lines as Pro Tools, Digital performer has some awsome tools in their version of take lanes.  I'm excited that X2 will have this functionality.  I don't know who originally developed the concept, but it looks like it has been around for a while.

Couple cool things I can tell you guys about Take Lanes ...

1. Their order can be freely reorganized
2. Show/ hide lanes does nothing to the order of said lanes
3. Lanes can be named individually
4. Each lane has a notes section
5. Each lane has its own Edit Filter (handy for showing transients, clip automation, etc. on a per-lane basis)
6. Click on a take and Shift + Spacebar to audition just that clip (with fx since lanes are routed through their parent track)
7. Exclusive solo buttons in each lane (soloing one take mutes the others)

Sorry if I missed any questions. What else do you want to know?

SP

Layers have long been one of my favorite features in SONAR.

I have found them to offer the ability to comp takes together quickly and with great precision.

There were 2 improvements that I had hoped Cakewalk would provide for layers.

1) The ability to zoom any single layer vertically for quick inspection.

2) The elimination of the famous "envelope bug disaster" that has existed since layers were introduced a decade or so ago.

I've never seen anyone use ProTools to comp a take faster than you can do in SONAR's layers.

I've never seen Cubase or Nuendo's take lanes but it seems like I will soon enough.


I look forward to learning about SONAR's take lanes yet I can't help but feel frustration to witness that Cakewalk has once again abandoned the improvement of one of it's most original and effective ideas just so it can initiate a latest copy cat feature. I imagine that Layers will become part of Cakewalk's half baking legacy.


I think fixing one grossly ignored problem (the clip envelope disaster) and adding one nice zoom feature would have placed SONAR as the fastest comping tool available.

I'm having a hard time imagining how anything could be faster than than layers... even as they work now. My guests, all of whom use Pro Tools as their reference for understanding DAW, are always amazed at how fast one can comp layers in SONAR.

I'm thinking that at best, take lanes will simply be some sort of new graphical representation of "layers", but at worst the take lanes may end up with fresh new bugs and gotchas that may take another decade or so before this latest idea is abandoned and replaced with another one of some other developers ideas.

I keep wondering when Cakewalk will figure out that it's only real competition is with itself and that it's greatest vulnerability is its consistent inability to see an idea through to maturity before it jumps off the train to get on someone else's band wagon.


best regards,
mike

How does slip editing work with take lanes as far as crossfading clips go?

fooman


How does slip editing work with take lanes as far as crossfading clips go?

Cross-fading on lanes is the same as tracks, AFAIK.


SP