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  • Fabfilter total bundle vs $1000 in Waves plugs (p.3)
2012/09/08 05:13:54
bigboi
So.....I just found out that Fabfilter is VST3.  Is it VST3 only?  wow...i went and watched the demos.  I DEFINITELY WANT THEM.  But this gives me pause.  Especially since it looks like VST3 may never come to Sonar.
2012/09/08 06:30:35
panup
> I just found out that Fabfilter is VST3. Is it VST3 only?

I just purchased FabFilter Total Bundle. It works perfectly with SONAR. VST3 is an option, not mandatory.
2012/09/08 12:10:12
bitflipper
Comes in AU and RTAS, too. You can't run them in SONAR, either. 
2012/09/08 12:55:31
cryophonik
bigboi


Would love to hear your opinions. I can get the total bundle, every plug fabfilter makes, for $900. Just wanted to see if you guys preferred comparable waves plugs, or the fabfilter stuff. Sound off guys
 
It's a tough question to answer without knowing the Waves plugins/bundles that you are considering, but these are two of my favorite plugin developers, so I'll give you my perspective.  I have all of the FabFilter plugins except Micro and FabFilter One.  I think I've purchased every one of them as soon as they were released because they give great loyalty discounts and because they make some of the best plugins on the market IMO.  I also have several Waves plugins/bundles (Gold, Renaissance Maxx, SSL 4000, Maserati, and H-EQ).


Two things that really set FabFilter apart from Waves and the rest of the pack is their (1) really intuitive and nice-looking interfaces, and (2) implementation of m/s processing.  I highly recommend that you watch some of the product videos and tutorials on their website to really get a good feel for how deep these plugins are.  My go-to EQ, compressor, gate, and limiter are Pro-Q, Pro-C, Pro-G, and Pro-L, but the Waves L1 and C1 are excellent as well and get a lot of use.  Between Pro-Q and Waves Q10, there is no contest IMO - Pro-Q is a far superior EQ, but Waves H-EQ is a nice alternative to Pro-Q and has more filter types and better "color" options.


FabFilter Saturn (multiband saturation/distortion) is unmatched by any Waves products IMO.  Same goes for FabFilter Volcano (modular filter effect) and Simplon (basic filter plugin).  Timeless (delay) is a very flexible delay with a ton of modulation capabilites - it's a bit overkill for basic delay needs, though, and is better as a sound design effect, rather than a bread-n-butter delay IMO.  Waves SuperTap or H-Delay are better in that respect IMO.  FabFilter Twin2 is a great synth and, obviously, Waves does not offer any synths.


On the flip side, Waves has a ton of products that FabFilter doesn't offer (yet).  I won't go through all of them, but a few things that jump out at me are the some of their specialty effects, like MondoMod, Doppler, Enigma, and MetaFlanger, and some of their color/vintage-style compressors and EQs (e.g., V-series and H-series).  The RenBass and MaxxBass plugins are really excellent and unmatched plugins.   Actually, the entire Renaissance bundle is an excellent buy.  If you're a channel strip whore like me, you'll probably love RenChannel (one of my favorite plugins ever) and the SSL channel strips.  FabFilter doesn't offer any channel strips, although they have mentioned in the past that it may be offered in the future.  Waves also offers several de-essers, doublers, auto-tuning software (i.e., Waves Tune - very underrated IMO), guitar amp modeling, etc., not to mention several reverbs, which FabFilter does not offer.


So, really, it's hard to make a comparison without knowing which Waves bundles you're considering, but for the most part, I generally prefer the FabFilter plugins where they overlap with an equivalent Waves product, but I personally couldn't get by with FabFilter alone and I don't think I have any projects whose FX bins aren't stacked with FF and Waves plugins.  Not sure how helpful that is, since you aren't considering buying both, but I guess if you can narrow down where your plugin needs lie, it might help you choose between the two brands.
2012/09/08 13:48:30
cclarry
Waves has announced that their next major upgrade will be VST 3 only.

As to whether the rest follow suit, who knows, but you can bet it's highly
likely, if Waves, who is the big boy on the block is doing it.  Why code
for 2 formats when you don't have to?  And when most Major DAW's are
already compliant, they certainly aren't going to worry about whether or
not the minor players comply.  Just my thoughts...

Sonar will eventually be dragged, kicking and screaming like a child throwing a tantrum,
into implementing VST 3.  They will have no choice, you can rest assured of that.
It's the same way they adapted to VST.  They didn't want to ...they had to.
2012/09/08 13:53:39
cryophonik
cclarry


Waves has announced that their next major upgrade will be VST3 only
Where are you seeing this?  The only thing I've seen so far is that they will support AAX native, but not HD.
2012/09/08 22:54:09
bitflipper
Waves has announced that their next major upgrade will be VST 3 only.

I think you may have mis-read that. What's more likely is they'll be adding VST 3 support in the next major upgrade. 


An awful lot of Pro Tools users would be pretty upset about an exclusive shift to VST3.
2012/09/08 23:13:32
Grem
cclarry



It's the same way they adapted to VST.  They didn't want to ...they had to.

I remember this!! And they kicked and SCREAMED all the way!! Tried to  get everyone on board with DirectX plug ins!! That was like the Beta and VHS wars!!
2012/09/08 23:27:48
cclarry
bitflipper



Waves has announced that their next major upgrade will be VST 3 only.

I think you may have mis-read that. What's more likely is they'll be adding VST 3 support in the next major upgrade. 


An awful lot of Pro Tools users would be pretty upset about an exclusive shift to VST3.

No, no mis-reading....Has nothing to do with RTAS or AU, or AAX, only VST.  It means that the next Major upgrade, after Version 9, being Version 10, will only support VST 3, not both VST 3 and VST 2.4, as version 9 does.    They're saying that they won't code VST 2.4 support into the next major upgrade as they do now. That means that Non VST 3 compliant hosts won't be supported in the next major upgrade basically. 
2012/09/08 23:31:09
cryophonik
cclarry


bitflipper



Waves has announced that their next major upgrade will be VST 3 only.

I think you may have mis-read that. What's more likely is they'll be adding VST 3 support in the next major upgrade. 


An awful lot of Pro Tools users would be pretty upset about an exclusive shift to VST3.

No, no mis-reading....Has nothing to do with RTAS or AU, or AAX, only VST.  It means that the next Major upgrade, after Version 9, being Version 10, will only support VST 3, not both VST 3 and VST 2.4, as version 9 does.    They're saying that they won't code VST 2.4 support into the next major upgrade as they do now. That means that Non VST 3 compliant hosts won't be supported in the next major upgrade basically. 
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