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2017/11/01 14:49:03
Anderton
EdOak
Pro Tools is looking better everyday.



Maybe you should look a little more closely.
 
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/geekslutz-forum/1082783-completely-awe-how-terrible-avid-customer-support.html
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/protools/comments/2s42dy/avid_has_horrible_customer_service_you_should/
 
http://www.customerservicescoreboard.com/Avid
 
Here's what Customer Service Scoreboard said about Avid. It's based on a small sample, but you'll find plenty of references on the web like the links above. 
 
Avid customer service is ranked #827 out of the 935 companies that have a CustomerServiceScoreboard.com rating with an overall score of 20.83 out of a possible 200 based upon 31 ratings. This score rates Avid customer service and customer support as Terrible.
 
Some comments from the people at Pro Tools Expert:
 
I've lost count of how many surveys I've been in and reported about my problem, including in the DUC, but it's never been addressed. That put the last nail in the coffin, I don't plan to renew my subscription at all, especially considering the price of HD. I think I can live with my current setup for some good 2-3 years before that.
 
I'll have to add that my experiences with 'support' are so dismal that pretty much nothing's going to change my mind. Certainly not one 'good experience' story. ProTools' support/ownership setup is so so advanced convoluted/customer-hostile that I happily live now in Logic-land. I might miss a few things there but then, why make life more complicated than it has to be.
 
This isn't to dump on Pro Tools, because people also have good support experiences. But you will find comments like the above for all music software companies, as well as mainstream ones like Adobe.
 
However to be fair, you will not find any complaints about bad customer service for Reaper...then again, that's because they don't have any. It's videos, Wiki, or their forums if you need help. On the other hand, no support does help keep the price low.
2017/11/01 14:50:37
pwalpwal
abacab
pwalpwal
support should be a part of the "membership" otherwise what is one a member of?




I dunno, one thing right off the top of the head... on-going product development... rolling bug fixes and feature enhancements.  Unavailable to non-members...


include support with membership, paid support if no membership, simples
2017/11/01 14:58:18
AdamGrossmanLG
support isn't profitable.  marketing is.
2017/11/01 15:13:14
pwalpwal
also, surely the real question is "why are there so many support requests?"
2017/11/01 15:17:24
Resonant Serpent
All the semantic arguing doesn't change the simple fact that Sonar updates used to cost less, yet we had better support. I know because I used it.
 
If it's a question of resources, then this makes the decision to go with Lifetime Updates for users even more baffling. I was more than prepared to pay a sub fee or yearly cost, but I'm not going to question a great deal. I, like others, assumed that the company was either in danger of going under, or coming out with a completely new flagship product.
 
When questions arose about the future of cakewalk because of the Lifetime Updates, the Bakers stated on this forum that we didn't need to worry about revenue, and that everything was fine at Cakewalk. Now, we're being told that support is cut because of a lack of resources. These two statements are contradictory.
 
When Gibson first took over, things were better than they had been in a long time. Is Gibson now hoovering money and controlling costs at Cakewalk? Is this why we've lost phone support? Or, is it simply a manpower problem?
 
I know that sometimes it's hard to find good help. My company is down 160+ employees because no one can pass a drug test, and all the ones that can were smart enough to move someplace where the rent was cheaper. I may end up moving in just a few months for the same reason... I can't afford to live here.
 
Bottom line... I'm just curious as to how this situation came about, but I doubt we'll ever get a real answer.
2017/11/01 15:25:06
pwalpwal
Resonant Serpent These two statements are contradictory.



yes, like this schroedinger's forum here - is it a peer-to-peer forum or is it an official bug-reporting place?
 
as for drug tests, you're clearly giving them the wrong tests, or why test at all if they can do the job?
2017/11/01 15:32:28
AT
I'm pretty sure if Cakewalk jacked the price for SPLAT by $100 a copy per year they could afford instant support.  Of course, those guys wouldn't have much to do because of a LACK OF CUSTOMERS.  Ask yourself, how much of a premium would you pay to be a Cake customer w/ support over another DAW w/o instant support.  $100 is a lot to many users, who would probably choose a cheaper DAW and hope they don't have problems.  Most of us think we are special and are smart or lucky or good looking enough to never need support.  And the new hires at Cake would soon lose their jobs when the company folds.  Pick your poison.
 
When I graduated college my Dad bought me a new car - straight off the lot.  It was one of those "come ons" you see in the papers, the kind of car at such a low price it would bring in plenty of customers that would have to buy a more expensive car when the sole, cheap, advertised car was sold.  Dad put it on his credit card since they wouldn't hold it.  Coming home he stopped by my Uncle's since he couldn't figure out how to turn on the AC - it was spring in Texas.  That cheap Citation didn't include one.  Thanks, GM.  I think it cost me $1500 to put an after market one in, 2 - 3 times the cost of a built-in AC.  So much for a deal.
 
Paid support after X days is probably the way to go.  Just be sure it has AC.
2017/11/01 16:45:23
EdOak
Thanks for replying Anderson. I have copied my email to Cakewalk and pasted it below. Cheers.
 Hello Ed,
 
  Thank you for contacting Cakewalk! We look forward to being able to assist   you.
 
  Your case number is 358753. For your records, your   inquiry is copied below:
 
  Hello.   I have a very strange problem here. When I install Melodyne as a region   effect in a clip, a lot of times I cannot monitor the audio of the blobs when   I am editing them. All I get is silence. I have enabled blob monitoring in   Melodyne. I seem to be getting audio signal because in the Melodyne window,   there is a meter by the "Compare" button that displays signal when   I am on a blob. I have contacted Melodyne and they say this a problem within   the DAW. I should mention that this problem only occurs in ARA mode. If I   install Melodyne as a channel effect and then transfer audio into Melodyne it   works fine. Very frustrating. Please help. Thank you.
 
  If you have additional details you would like to provide, respond directly to   this email without changing this subject.
2017/11/01 16:47:59
Starise
AdamGrossmanLG
support isn't profitable.  marketing is.


 
Cake needs marketing, yet marketing with no support is pointless. I see marketing as a way to get them in the door. Once they get in the door, if they don't have a good product with some kind of support they won't hang around.Granted the expectations of how that looks can vary. 
 
Marketing is a dog and pony show. Support establishes long term goals. All show and no go never helped anyone, except maybe the salesman.
 
Resonant Serpent
 
All the semantic arguing doesn't change the simple fact that Sonar updates used to cost less, yet we had better support. I know because I used it.
 
If it's a question of resources, then this makes the decision to go with Lifetime Updates for users even more baffling. I was more than prepared to pay a sub fee or yearly cost, but I'm not going to question a great deal. I, like others, assumed that the company was either in danger of going under, or coming out with a completely new flagship product.
 
When questions arose about the future of cakewalk because of the Lifetime Updates, the Bakers stated on this forum that we didn't need to worry about revenue, and that everything was fine at Cakewalk. Now, we're being told that support is cut because of a lack of resources. These two statements are contradictory.
 
When Gibson first took over, things were better than they had been in a long time. Is Gibson now hoovering money and controlling costs at Cakewalk? Is this why we've lost phone support? Or, is it simply a manpower problem?
 
I know that sometimes it's hard to find good help. My company is down 160+ employees because no one can pass a drug test, and all the ones that can were smart enough to move someplace where the rent was cheaper. I may end up moving in just a few months for the same reason... I can't afford to live here.
 
Bottom line... I'm just curious as to how this situation came about, but I doubt we'll ever get a real answer.




I hope things look up for you soon Resonant Serpent. Best wishes your way man.
 
I remember when the  lifetime updates became available. If you could jump into that offer, not to do so was crazy.
 
It didn't seem to make sense though. What software company offers their product free for life? The kicker is those who made those decisions may no longer be with the company.
 
The things that seem like contradictions might simply be market fluctuations. Things could have been better back when Cake said they were. Those numbers change month to month.
 
We can only speculate on what Gibson is doing now with Cakewalk. Since Gibson is in financial trouble any number of things could be going on. If I worked for Cake, I would be very skeptical of any developments given their history of being acquired.
 
As far as I can tell, customer service has always been dealing with the larger problems first, then the smaller issues follow. They have a very stable competitive daw with a lot going for it. They have a beta test team. Large issues that cause havoc across  many systems have been eliminated for the most part. This leaves second and third tier problems to deal with. 
 
In some ways, having more customers with issues could be a sign of well..................more customers. It it's growing pains, this is a good thing. They just need to catch up with demand that's all.
 
 
2017/11/01 17:10:35
chuckebaby
EdOak
Thanks for replying Anderson. I have copied my email to Cakewalk and pasted it below. Cheers.
 
Hello Ed,

Thank you for contacting Cakewalk! We look forward to being able to assist   you.

Your case number is 358753. For your records, your   inquiry is copied below:

Hello.   I have a very strange problem here. When I install Melodyne as a region   effect in a clip, a lot of times I cannot monitor the audio of the blobs when   I am editing them. All I get is silence. I have enabled blob monitoring in   Melodyne. I seem to be getting audio signal because in the Melodyne window,   there is a meter by the "Compare" button that displays signal when   I am on a blob. I have contacted Melodyne and they say this a problem within   the DAW. I should mention that this problem only occurs in ARA mode. If I   install Melodyne as a channel effect and then transfer audio into Melodyne it   works fine. Very frustrating. Please help. Thank you.

If you have additional details you would like to provide, respond directly to   this email without changing this subject.



Are you doing it like this



 
And what audio interface are you using ?
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