2016/02/20 05:23:47
BobF
michaelhanson
Aren't there already a bunch of folks here that are boycotting Apple, iStuff and anything related to it? Just saying. 😄



Present! 
2016/02/20 07:17:13
MrMook
Trump was only agreeing with Obama who raised the issue in the first place.
 
"The controversy began on Tuesday after a judge ordered Apple to help the FBI “hack” an iPhone linked to the tragic shooting. The next day, the White House gave the investigation its full support, describing it as an “important national priority”.
 
Despite being a vocal critic of President Barack Obama, presidential candidate Donald Trump agreed with him on the issue, slamming Apple’s refusal to cooperate with law enforcement officials."
 
http://www.france24.com/en/20160219-usa-apple-plays-digital-privacy-hardball-with-fbi-but-not-china
 
And the phone was not personal property. It was the property of the San Bernardino Department of Public Health. That kinda clouds the issue, IMO.
2016/02/20 07:58:49
MandolinPicker
According to Apple, someone from the government may have already changed the password. Apple is saying that the password changed once it was in the possession of the government. Had that not occurred it would have been easy to get the data from the iCloud backup app. (http://www.buzzfeed.com/johnpaczkowski/apple-terrorists-appleid-passcode-changed-in-government-cust#.yuBO7JzlJ)
 
If true, and given chain of custody rules, this places a big cloud over any data that may subsequently be found on the phone. The question naturally arises if an unknown government official changed the password, what else did they change? This whole thing is getting worse by the minute.
 
I think someone screwed up big time and is afraid to admit it.
2016/02/20 08:28:05
clintmartin
MrMook
Trump was only agreeing with Obama who raised the issue in the first place.
 
"The controversy began on Tuesday after a judge ordered Apple to help the FBI “hack” an iPhone linked to the tragic shooting. The next day, the White House gave the investigation its full support, describing it as an “important national priority”.
 
Despite being a vocal critic of President Barack Obama, presidential candidate Donald Trump agreed with him on the issue, slamming Apple’s refusal to cooperate with law enforcement officials."
 
http://www.france24.com/en/20160219-usa-apple-plays-digital-privacy-hardball-with-fbi-but-not-china
 
And the phone was not personal property. It was the property of the San Bernardino Department of Public Health. That kinda clouds the issue, IMO.


I agree with this.
If the Feds only wanted to get into this one phone, I wouldn't have a problem with that either. IMHO when you kill people, you should lose your rights.
What the FBI want is a way to hack into any phone. I'm against that 100%.
We've already seen that the FBI will break the law if it serves their political interest. The whole Lois Learner incident, when they clearly broke the law, but no one is ever indicted. Is a great example.
 
2016/02/20 10:18:50
Moshkito
sharke
John McAfee has offered to hack the phone:
 
http://www.techinsider.io...-on-its-product-2016-2


 
I thought that was funny ... and pretty much says it all about the government and their highly over paid folks that do not know what they are doing ... heck, look at the Senate and House of Representatives! While I can see it being justified on one side, I can also see the other side, and a group (or two) taking advantage of the technologies for their own goals and means ... and this is another side of these companies that will be coming up sooner or later ... and the government, btw, can prevent business licenses if they do not cooperate ... so in the end, the loser will be Apple and many of us, that are afraid that all of a sudden will have our phones hacked left and right ... like they are not already being done, anyway!
 
The whole thing is scary ... but it shows the 20th century perfectly ... what is gold for one, is poop for another and vice versa! And Apple and everyone else, will have to come to grips with it. Just like we do!
 
2016/02/20 10:21:50
Kamikaze

2016/02/20 10:24:56
tlw
ampfixer
The iPhone has a bug right now that causes a users phone to become "bricked". Apple has told those people affected that they are out of luck. Why should the government do any better than paid customers.
 


Avoiding the bug is pretty simple. Just don't set the date to before May 1970. Resetting the date has to be done on the phone itself and can't be done remotely. Compared to buffer overflow exploits in web browsers, Flash and Acrobat, the bug in Word that meant even if macros were switched off in preferences Word could be told to switch macros on and run them automatically by a macro in a malicious Word document or web file, this is a very minor bug.

Apple are working an iOS update to fix the bug.

ampfixer
I guess they don't want to push this issue into court. However this goes, the winner will set a legal precedent about access to personal information. It's obvious that technology is moving faster then the law and there will only be more of these cases in the future.


It's already in court, that's the problem.

Any encryption system becomes useless as soon as a back-door gets into the wild. The UK government's having one of its sporadic "encryption available to the public is evil - peadophilia! Terrorists! Only the guilty have anything to hide!" fits at the moment as well. Seems to happen about once per government since 1994. What usually happens is the civil servants, banks, Microsoft, Apple, Sagepay and various other companies go and have a quiet chat with the politicians to point out that any ban on secure encryption means no more internet banking, no more buying stuff online, no more computerised BACS system, no more SSH or VPNs so companies no longer able to communicate internally securely across the internet, no more international instant stock trading etc.

Then ask if the minister is quite sure they're brave enough to want to make the courageous decision to take the UK back to the 1970s.

The history of hacking shows that once its known that there's a back door possible, even if it requires using a version of the OS that in theory only the manufacturer has access to, the bad guys will put a huge amount of effort into getting hold of it or reverse-engineering it.

Meanwhile, those who really want to send short messages not only encrypt them but use stenographic techniques to make it near impossible to detect there's a message to decrypt in the first place. Is that normal noise and jpeg artifacts in that low-quality image or a message encrypted using some encryption algorithm or other?

And single use one-time pads, such as the ones used to encrypt secure information between the UK and US governments are still uncrackable for all real-world intents and purposes, so outlawing digital encryption gets them nowhere when it comes to bad guys determined their messages will not be read by anyone they're not intended for. A combination of one-time pads and stenography and you have an almost undefeatable encryption system, unless the cryptologists get very, very lucky indeed.

What is particularly interesting is that the FBI could dismantle the phone and probably pull all the 0s and 1s off the SSD. What that gives them is the encrypted data. So I guess one thing that the FBI is confirming by this action is that modern encryption methods are still for all intents and purposes secure even when the computing facilities of the FBI, GCHQ, CIA or major universities are available.

Unless it's all a double-bluff of course, or maybe it's a triple bluff.... No doubt the conspiracy theorists will be making up all kinds of complicated stuff.....
2016/02/20 10:34:23
codamedia
None of this makes any sense.... a password is the first line of defense and is only there to prevent the casual theft of the product or loss of a product. It is only there to stop the average person, not experts. DATA on an iphone is easy to retrieve, password or not. The Feds know how to get that data... I have no doubt they already have it.
 
It's pretty obvious what the big picture is, and this lie of "we can't get in" is just another scare tactic. (sorry if that's too political.... mods can edit if needed)
2016/02/20 10:52:53
Kamikaze

2016/02/20 11:19:00
kennywtelejazz
IMO, Under no circumstance should Apple Cave ...Hold your ground , there are bigger things at stake here .
 
Kenny
 
 
© 2026 APG vNext Commercial Version 5.1

Use My Existing Forum Account

Use My Social Media Account