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2008/12/07 15:18:19
dumbguy
Thanks again for your help.

The bass drum was the only one that disappeared, but I think that is because it was the only note I changed the out port on. The rest of the notes (snare, etc.) were all still set to the TTS-1.

I did go through the MIDI set-up on the SR-16 last night, and I think I used the settings you mentioned above. I’m on a different computer right now, though, and I don’t have the SR-16 handy, so I’ll have to double check later. I’m going to give it all another shot tonight, and I’ll go through all the suggestions from you and the other response above.

Thanks for bearing with me and for your words of encouragement. As I mentioned in my response to michaelalala, patience is not my strong suit. I’ve only been at this stuff for less than a week. It’s just frustrating to try everything I can possibly think of without getting any results. I’m sure the problem is something really simple, and once I learn it, I’ll never forget it. So I’ll keep at it, even if it drives me completely mad.
2008/12/07 16:19:32
ducatibruce2
On the disappearing bass drum - this may help or just add to the level of confusion - there is no universal standard for drum note mapping (hit this note to get this drum sound) so changing the output on a drum note may result in a different (or no) sound being played.
This situation was the original reason for drum maps in Sonar.

TTS uses the GM drum note to sound map, the SR-16 may use a different one.

HTH
2012/08/20 23:59:49
Tau Zero
1. Create a new MIDI track and then from the 'OUTPUT' drop down menu select 'DRUM MAP MANAGER'. You will then see the Drum Map Manager which depending on how/if you've used it in the past you may or may not see anything in the map window. Regardless of what you see though... 2. Click the 'NEW' button to 'Create a new drum map'. 3. Click on the presets arrow and select 'GM Drums (Complete Kit)'. Now you have a basic map to work with.



Sorry to bump this old thread, but I'm at wit's end.  I'm using SONAR 7 Producer Edition, and I can select "Options / Drum Map Manager," and click on "New," which gives me a "blank slate" for a drum map.  


My problem is the "Presets" dropdown arrow doesn't give me *any* options at all, not even GM Drums.  


I've double and triple (and quadruple) checked my SONAR CD-ROM, trying to find if the drum maps are somewhere on there, to no avail.  I've also poked around on the computer's hard drive, with equal success.


Can anybody help, please?  Thanks in advance!




Cheers,
2012/08/21 00:44:11
Cactus Music
I just happen to have Sonar 7 installed still,  I just checked mine and it is also empty. I beleive you have to create your own. They certainly don't load with defaults.  
2012/08/21 04:22:37
twaddle
dumbguy


Thanks for the explanation. I think that helps. The help menus and tutorials are good, but they are still a bit over my head. The tutorials did help me get the basic drum sounds I've been using so far, but I still couldn't seem to figure out how to change the sounds. Based on the responses to my original post, it seems I probably don't have any other sounds available at this point, so I'll have to get some.

I do have an old Alesis SR16 which I might try to use via the MIDI ports on my sound card. I'll probably also look into some software options (Session Drummer, EZ Drummer and Superior 2.0 have all been suggested).

I tried doing a web search for soft synths that have drum sounds, but I must not have been using the best search terms, because I came up with very little. The only things I found on my own were Scarbee Imperial Drums XL -- a DXi plug in that is now discontinued; and BFD2 -- a VST plug in that costs about $400.00 and has over 50GB of samples (quite a bit more than I would need at this point). My searches didn't even come up with Session Drummer, EZ Drummer or Superior 2.0.

Does anyone know if there is a place online where I can research and compare different soft synths for drums?

Don't know where you saw BFD2 at $400 but it's $299 on the fxpansion site  BFD2  but that might still be more than you'd want to spend.
BFD2 has a little brother called BFD Eco
Right now I guarantee you wont find anything of such high quality and at such a great price at this moment in time, it really is a no brainer.

It is on sale until the end of August for $49. That would be a bargain in it's self but you also get a free "rock legends" kit from platinum samples (normally $59) for free.


You really should check it out before choosing any of the others.


Steve


Edit.
I don't see your system specs listed here anywhere so you may have problems if you're not up to date.
BDF Eco is only supported under windows 7. The 64bit  can be installed on vista but it's a work around.
It's a really good idea to post your full specs so people can help you out much quicker.
2012/08/21 11:16:51
Tau Zero
Cactus Music


I just happen to have Sonar 7 installed still,  I just checked mine and it is also empty. I beleive you have to create your own. They certainly don't load with defaults.  
Johnny,


Thanks for letting me know what's up.  Here we go!


Cheers,


2012/08/21 11:30:23
Cactus Music
Hey Steve, this is an old thread as mentioned by Jay who is looking for the drum map presets.
 This is why it is better to start a new thread to avoid confusion.
I always look at the date of the OP
2012/08/21 12:22:21
scook
FWIW, SONAR has always included a bunch of drum maps. The location is defined in Preferences.
I am on a Win7 machine only running X1Ed right now and the included drum maps default to "C:\Users\scook\AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk\SONAR X1 Producer\Drum Maps." On my old XP machine I found an archive of SONAR 7 Producer, the drum maps were stored at "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Cakewalk\SONAR 7 Producer Edition\Drum Maps."

HTH
2012/08/21 13:16:31
twaddle
Cactus Music


Hey Steve, this is an old thread as mentioned by Jay who is looking for the drum map presets.
 This is why it is better to start a new thread to avoid confusion.
I always look at the date of the OP

Doh!!


Thanks for that Cactus. I feel slightly stoopid now.
I wonder what the OP went with in the end.


Steve
2012/08/21 21:52:36
Cactus Music
Hopefully a real set of drums ,,, ha ha...
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