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2012/08/17 20:36:31
sketterman
Dave - I am familiar with the input echo option, but going that route causes way too much latency. I could never record anything remotely accurate with that option!

Cactus - Is there a link that maybe explains how to properly set that stuff up (monitoring, signal path)? I'm all for assuming my problem is user error lol

Mark - This method does makes sense, and I imagine it would work for me. In POD Farm, when I open up mixer view, I dont see anything that suggests channel 1/2 or channel 3/4.  I've got "Tone A" and "Tone B". I'm thinking you are referring to the "DI" knob. If I turn this knob I can hear more and more of my clean signal mixed in with the processed signal. Channels 1/2 and 3/4 would correspond to a dual amp tone? Whereas just channels 1/2 would be a single amp tone?

Regardless, none of the distorted presets in POD Farm sound right...the distortion is super weak, and previously I created a brand new tone with a JCM 900, maxed out the gain, and got zero distortion. I think it's my settings...everything is pretty much as it would be after install though.
2012/08/17 22:05:59
SToons
sketterman


Dave - I am familiar with the input echo option, but going that route causes way too much latency. I could never record anything remotely accurate with that option!

Cactus - Is there a link that maybe explains how to properly set that stuff up (monitoring, signal path)? I'm all for assuming my problem is user error lol

Mark - This method does makes sense, and I imagine it would work for me. In POD Farm, when I open up mixer view, I dont see anything that suggests channel 1/2 or channel 3/4.  I've got "Tone A" and "Tone B". I'm thinking you are referring to the "DI" knob. If I turn this knob I can hear more and more of my clean signal mixed in with the processed signal. Channels 1/2 and 3/4 would correspond to a dual amp tone? Whereas just channels 1/2 would be a single amp tone?

Regardless, none of the distorted presets in POD Farm sound right...the distortion is super weak, and previously I created a brand new tone with a JCM 900, maxed out the gain, and got zero distortion. I think it's my settings...everything is pretty much as it would be after install though.

If you're having that much latency it is a driver issue. First of all did you install Line 6 Monkey to ensure you have all the neccessary line 6 drivers and Contol Panel etc. for the POD HD?
2012/08/18 07:57:29
daveny5
Dave - I am familiar with the input echo option, but going that route causes way too much latency. I could never record anything remotely accurate with that option!



Why are you using ASIO4ALL instead of the Line 6 ASIO drivers? 

The POD Bean is probably not the best selection for a soundcard for low latency, however, it may work well enough if you use the right driver. 
2012/08/18 19:22:28
sketterman
Stoons - Yep, all drivers are definitely up to date

Dave - I'm using the POD Bean Asio drivers now, uninstalled the ASIO4ALL. The only real problem I have now is the tones in POD Farm not sounding right. 

All, what program to people use to record their desktop as they work within a program? I could just record what happens in POD Farm so everyone can see the presets, settings, etc.
2012/08/18 19:36:54
SToons
sketterman


Stoons - Yep, all drivers are definitely up to date

Dave - I'm using the POD Bean Asio drivers now, uninstalled the ASIO4ALL. The only real problem I have now is the tones in POD Farm not sounding right. 

All, what program to people use to record their desktop as they work within a program? I could just record what happens in POD Farm so everyone can see the presets, settings, etc.

Have you started familiaring yourself with the software and drivers? This is important If you want to use the POD effectively. First of all the POD settings in Control Panel. Secondly, setting up the ASIO driver properly using the ASIO Panel tab in Sonar under Options>Audio. Third, using Gearbox to manage the levels, particularly the Recording level which is the level that will hit software like Pod Farm - if not set properly then you are sending a "weak" signal to Pod Farm resulting in thin sounding tones, very little distortion in high gain amps (not enough level to drive the amp) and other problems.
 
Seeing a video what happens in Sonar is likely of no relevance if these issues are not addressed, it will not show if you have adjusted the drivers/levels/routing properly.
2012/08/18 21:32:07
Cactus Music
Like I said, it's obviously a routing issue. I don't own a Pod so your need to read the manual of follow the advice of people here that have told you how already.
2012/08/18 21:39:29
daveny5
The only real problem I have now is the tones in POD Farm not sounding right. 



How so?
2012/08/18 22:46:40
Rain
Ok, you know what I'd do?

Just don't bother w/ POD Farm for the moment. Record the dry signal coming out of the you POD into Sonar. 

Leave the fader in Sonar at it's default position and tell us how loud it registers on the meters. 

The logic being that no matter the latency, you should still hear something coming out that sounds like what you expect, albeit slightly delayed.

You mentioned trying Guitar Rig in an earlier post, do you still have it installed? I'm thinking of a few things I'd try.

2012/08/18 22:53:02
markno999
Shaun,
 
No, I meant Channel 1/2 and Channel 3/4.  In the mixer view you will see them on the far right side of the screen next to Tone A and Tone B.   Set Channel 1/2 in the PodFarm Mixer for Tone A, set Channel 3/4 for Dry Input.  In Sonar set one track for LINE6 Device (whatever it is) Stereo 1/2, this is your wet signal.   Set another Sonar Track for LINE6 Device Stereo 3/4, this is your dry signal in the event you want to change your tone later if you like.   I always use this method with PodFarm Standalone running, and that way you playing through Podfarm Standalone and capture one wet, fully affected signal and one dry replica of the same part.  
 
This approach I mentioned works best for me, I don't like any latency and this method has zero latency, Line 6 really does a great job with their hardware.   The other method, Input Echo just doesn't work well for me, there is always latency no matter how good your sound card and drivers are, I have a RME FF800 and even at it's lowest latency, with the most up to date drivers, I hate it even though it only has a bit of slapback echo.   I just never got good results with that method either.  I get a much better sound with this chain < Boss CS3 (modded) < UX2 < Podfarm Standalone/Mixer < Sonar Inputs.   I would take Dave's advice though and use the Line 6 Drivers.
 
Good luck.  I hope you get it all sorted.
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