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cclarry

Bristol_Jonesey

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i haven't tried both (i use superior drummer)..
but what i've heard is that the main difference (except for obvious things like UI) is that the sounds in BFD are more processed than the sounds in Superioud Drummer.

I can't confirm this, though..
But if this is the case I'm guessing BFD could be nice if you just want to get great sounding drums real fast and superior drummer is better if you want to shape the sounds more yourself.

In terms of realism I think you can get awesome results with any of them.

You've heard wrong!

All BFD samples are recorded in pristine clean quality with NO PROCESSING

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Haha.. Well ok. :)
As i said, it was just what i've heard..    

You've heard wrong as well though, since the samples in superior drummer aren't pre-processed either.
The cheeper expansions for EZ-Drummer are processed, but the ones you get for Superior drummer are clean.. :)

You get all mics on separate channels.. and with this I don't mean just the different drums on different channels.. 
You get all microphones on different channels.. so if they recorded the kick-drum with three microphones you get
them all on separate tracks. And you often get several room-mics to choose from as well plus (in their latest expansion "Roots")  
an extra channel where they've recorded everything in a special reverb-room, so you get a "real" recorded reverb that you
can apply to any of the drums.

..and to be able to control the hihat-pedal with a MIDI-controller (default being 1 (mod-wheel)) wich gives you total real-time control over the hihat's position and also being able to control where on the drumhead you want to hit (also with MIDI-controllers) gives you a rediculous amount of expression in your drum sound 

The thing you should do is to visit their websites and check their vidios and listen to their
audio-samples and then decide wich one you like the most.

These kinds of threds won't help you at all, since people just will praise the one they use them selves...
as you may have noticed.. :P

I praised them BOTH.


I just feel, that to MY ears, SD is a little more "processed" sounding..

They BOTH are GREAT programs.
As I said, to MY EARS, BFD is "cleaner" and can do those things also...


Cheers!!!

cclarry

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cclarry

Bristol_Jonesey

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i haven't tried both (i use superior drummer)..
but what i've heard is that the main difference (except for obvious things like UI) is that the sounds in BFD are more processed than the sounds in Superioud Drummer.

I can't confirm this, though..
But if this is the case I'm guessing BFD could be nice if you just want to get great sounding drums real fast and superior drummer is better if you want to shape the sounds more yourself.

In terms of realism I think you can get awesome results with any of them.

You've heard wrong!

All BFD samples are recorded in pristine clean quality with NO PROCESSING

+1

Haha.. Well ok. :)
As i said, it was just what i've heard..    

You've heard wrong as well though, since the samples in superior drummer aren't pre-processed either.
The cheeper expansions for EZ-Drummer are processed, but the ones you get for Superior drummer are clean.. :)

You get all mics on separate channels.. and with this I don't mean just the different drums on different channels.. 
You get all microphones on different channels.. so if they recorded the kick-drum with three microphones you get
them all on separate tracks. And you often get several room-mics to choose from as well plus (in their latest expansion "Roots")  
an extra channel where they've recorded everything in a special reverb-room, so you get a "real" recorded reverb that you
can apply to any of the drums.

..and to be able to control the hihat-pedal with a MIDI-controller (default being 1 (mod-wheel)) wich gives you total real-time control over the hihat's position and also being able to control where on the drumhead you want to hit (also with MIDI-controllers) gives you a rediculous amount of expression in your drum sound 

The thing you should do is to visit their websites and check their vidios and listen to their
audio-samples and then decide wich one you like the most.

These kinds of threds won't help you at all, since people just will praise the one they use them selves...
as you may have noticed.. :P

I praised them BOTH.


I just feel, that to MY ears, SD is a little more "processed" sounding..

They BOTH are GREAT programs.
As I said, to MY EARS, BFD is "cleaner" and can do those things also...


Cheers!!!

cheers to your ears, mate :)

I've always been impressed by fxPansions's support - they're helpful and are good at fixing bugs.  That's a big plus in my book.

I just get a kick out of how seriously people take these things....LOL

Ptheory


It's a question that's been done to death on this forum yet still attracts an awful lot of interest. 
It always surprises me that the cake moderators don't move them to the "software" forum as they are generally not really sonar related but I'm glad they don't.

They are both great programs 

My preference for BFD2 & Eco was ultimately the sound.  Whether superior is less, or more processed is one thing but what affects the sound isn't just down to one being more processed than the other.
It's down to the studio/room and the equipment used to record the drums. The drum sound of BFD2 is big, very big and loud but very warm too.
The ethos behind both products is pretty much the same. That is to give you raw unprocessed recordings and all the tools that a drum engineer would have in a top studio.
BFD2 is big, it comes with 10 whole kits and weighs in a 50GB unless you get the download version which is smaller but not sure by how much. 


The demo's you will find in the fxpansion site are ok but don't really do it justice. Although I will say they seem to cover a much wider variety of styles than the ones I head on the toontrack site.
Personally I prefer to hear drums on their own and that's one thing I really like about their site and is quite unique, but there is a Kit Browser page where you can individually preview each kit piece.
A little over the top some may say but fxpansion pay great attention to detail.

Until the end of this month there is an irresistible deal on BFD Eco (BFD2's little brother) which you can get for $49 (normally $99) as if that's not enough it also comes with a free rock legends kit from platinum samples (normally $59)
BFD Eco is a seriously great drumpler in it's own right and may well be plenty for your requirements. I wont presume how much you do, or don't know about drum engineering but for me BFD2 was quite daunting as I clearly knew much less than I had thought. There some great tutorials and lots of help on the fx forum as well as here.

There is also a BFD2 demo you can download and try for as long as you like. It only comes with one kit, has less velocity layers and I believe less midi loops included but apart from that it is the full program.
You'll need to create an account before you can get the demo.

Hope that's helped 

Steve

twaddle

 My preference for BFD2 & Eco was ultimately the sound.  Whether superior is less, or more processed is one thing but what affects the sound isn't just down to one being more processed than the other.
It's down to the studio/room and the equipment used to record the drums. The drum sound of BFD2 is big, very big and loud but very warm too.

Haha.. Ohyeah.. Unlike SD that was recorded under my bed.. (forgot to mention that before) :P

PTheory, just do your own research instead of asking for help in these matters..
In the end it's what YOUR ears like that's important. 
Noone can say wich one you'll like the most. You'll have to find that out yourself..

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twaddle

My preference for BFD2 & Eco was ultimately the sound.  Whether superior is less, or more processed is one thing but what affects the sound isn't just down to one being more processed than the other.
It's down to the studio/room and the equipment used to record the drums. The drum sound of BFD2 is big, very big and loud but very warm too.

Haha.. Ohyeah.. Unlike SD that was recorded under my bed.. (forgot to mention that before) :P

What do you mean, "like sd was recorded under your bed"? Obviously they were recorded in different studios using different consoles and different mics and this is ultimately what determines their sound. 

I have no idea where SD was recorded but having just listened to their demo's to refresh my mind they may well have been recorded under your bed.  

I do know that BFD2 was recorded at air studios in London and that the mixing console was designed by George Martin and there is only one of them in the world. 
But that means little to me and until I heard them I couldn't have told you whether or not that was going to make them sound as good as they do sound so yeah, like you say....use your ears but also the bit in between them too 


Steve

twaddle

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twaddle

My preference for BFD2 & Eco was ultimately the sound.  Whether superior is less, or more processed is one thing but what affects the sound isn't just down to one being more processed than the other.
It's down to the studio/room and the equipment used to record the drums. The drum sound of BFD2 is big, very big and loud but very warm too.

Haha.. Ohyeah.. Unlike SD that was recorded under my bed.. (forgot to mention that before) :P

What do you mean, "like sd was recorded under your bed"? Obviously they were recorded in different studios using different consoles and different mics and this is ultimately what determines their sound. 

I have no idea where SD was recorded but having just listened to their demo's to refresh my mind they may well have been recorded under your bed.  

I do know that BFD2 was recorded at air studios in London and that the mixing console was designed by George Martin and there is only one of them in the world. 
But that means little to me and until I heard them I couldn't have told you whether or not that was going to make them sound as good as they do sound so yeah, like you say....use your ears but also the bit in between them too 


Steve

I'm sorry.. I'm just very good at making very bad jokes..
Didn't mean to confuse anyone..
Statement: SD was NOT recorded under my bed!

What I meant was just that; of course both libraries were recorded in awesome studio rooms with the best technicians and gear available.. :)

I'm sorry.. I'm just very good at making very bad jokes..
Didn't mean to confuse anyone..
Statement: SD was NOT recorded under my bed!

What I meant was just that; of course both libraries were recorded in awesome studio rooms with the best technicians and gear available.. :)

I'm a big fan of bad jokes. 
 
I guess my statement was pretty obvious but what I meant by it was that to me BFD2 sounds much bigger and warmer to my ears and that's because of where and how it was recorded.


Steve

twaddle

I'm sorry.. I'm just very good at making very bad jokes..
Didn't mean to confuse anyone..
Statement: SD was NOT recorded under my bed!

What I meant was just that; of course both libraries were recorded in awesome studio rooms with the best technicians and gear available.. :)

I'm a big fan of bad jokes. 

I guess my statement was pretty obvious but what I meant by it was that to me BFD2 sounds much bigger and warmer to my ears and that's because of where and how it was recorded.


Steve

I did understand what you meant.
I just don't understand how you can say that the studio room is part of what makes BFD sound much bigger and warmer to your ears, since you don't even know where the drums for SD were recorded..

To be able to compare two things (without guessing) you really need to have all the facts..

..just saying..