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jb101


Does the BFD demo do it justice?

I downloaded it last night and can't say I was impressed.  Am I missing something?  The Toontrack stuff I have just sounded SO much more realistic.  The included BFD snare and  toms sound dreadful.

Is it just that the demo doesn't sound anywhere near as good as the full product?  If so, it's not a very good demo.

I was thinking about purchasing Eco or the full version (thanks Bristol J for the links) as so many people here rate it so highly, but this demo has not sold it to me.

The drum samples on both are raw and unproduced, they're just different drums and have been set up/tuned/dampened different ways. For some folks the SD drums sound more realistic because they're used to drums/drummers/rooms that sound more like the SD drums. For others the same story applies to the BFD drums. I've heard drums/drummers/rooms that sound like both...they both sound very realistic (and clearly unproduced) to me, but I've been around way too many different drums/drummers/rooms :)


Listen and the go with what you like.


Dean

+1


Definitely the right advice...

jb101


Does the BFD demo do it justice?
 
I downloaded it last night and can't say I was impressed.  Am I missing something?  The Toontrack stuff I have just sounded SO much more realistic.  The included BFD snare and  toms sound dreadful.
 
Is it just that the demo doesn't sound anywhere near as good as the full product?  If so, it's not a very good demo.
 
I was thinking about purchasing Eco or the full version (thanks Bristol J for the links) as so many people here rate it so highly, but this demo has not sold it to me.

The demo came with the ludwig vistalite kit, not my favourite kit but still it's what you do with it I guess.
An old drummer in a band I was in a few years back had a Ludwig Vistalite and it sounded pretty much like the one included.

When you say realistic do you mean the way drums sound on a record or when you're stood in a large room and someone is playing them?
The vistalite was recorded in a very large room and is very loud and boomy and like a lot of drum kits they need taming but that one is quite a wild one 

I thought the demo came with mixer presets but having just downloaded it I see there are none supplied so you are very much flying solo with the demo.

I'd suggest you start creating and shaping the kit in to a sound that you desire. Get to grips with the mixer and the very excellent effects provided.
Pull down the faders on the overhead, room and ambient channels and start mixing.

I would definitely recommend you spend some time studying and watching this Video Tutorial. BFD2 isn't really about sounding great out of the box. It's about giving you the tools and the raw sample to shape
the sound in as many and varied ways as you might want to but there is a big learning curve. 
A drum engineer would feel completely at home pretty quickly with BFD2 or with superior for that matter.

Steve

Might be a daft question but do I need either of them if I have Abbey Road drums for Kontakt?

PTheory


Might be a daft question but do I need either of them if I have Abbey Road drums for Kontakt?

You also have Session Drummer 3....so no you don't need them....


The question you need to answer for yourself is "Are these programs that I already have sufficient to do what I want to do?"


THAT is always the question, as everything that comes with Sonar X1 Producer will do a fine job.

superior,not even a question.
though im not a bfd fan anyway,just to much default processing.

Charlie, we've had this discussion before, and there is NO DEFAULT PROCESSING on a BFD kit piece.

PTheory


Might be a daft question but do I need either of them if I have Abbey Road drums for Kontakt?

Hi PTheory,
Well, from a functional standpoint the N.I. products do the same thing...that is, they are good quality sample libraries that do multi-mic and multi-out. That said, I don't think the N.I. products sound anything like either BFD or SD. I like the N.I. products, but they do sound very different. So, as far as needing them, the real question is do you need the sound they make (or even just like it a lot). Only way to find that out is listen.

Dean

Bristol_Jonesey


Charlie, we've had this discussion before, and there is NO DEFAULT PROCESSING on a BFD kit piece.

Maybe he's talking about the fact that the presets have a lot room and overhead ambiance  in them.  Of course it only take moving 1 or 2 master faders to change that.  The drums themselves can be as dry as you want.

I'd like to ask the BFD ECO fans here a couple of questions about the software that I can't find on youtube or the fxpansion site. When you're clicking or playing in notes on the grid, can you shift the time of the hit accurately? As in moving a hit early or late by a specific number of milliseconds? Can you adjust the volume of individual hits, to create accents or ghost notes? How fine a resolution can you make a grid? Thanks for any help.

Widetrack


I'd like to ask the BFD ECO fans here a couple of questions about the software that I can't find on youtube or the fxpansion site. When you're clicking or playing in notes on the grid, can you shift the time of the hit accurately? As in moving a hit early or late by a specific number of milliseconds? Can you adjust the volume of individual hits, to create accents or ghost notes? How fine a resolution can you make a grid? Thanks for any help.

BFD Eco doesn't have a full blown drum editor like BFD2. BFD Eco only offers a drum lane where you drag loops, cut, copy and paste and arrange them as you want.
The humanise feature in both Eco & BFD2 will move notes either slightly before or after the beat, you can also humanise velocity, swing and there is a simplify dial too. 
You can drag the loops into sonar's midi track for detailed editing.


In my opinion the BFD2 drum editor is ok but it's no replacement for the piano roll view in sonar or any other sequencer I'm guessing.

Steve