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Bristol_Jonesey


Charlie, we've had this discussion before, and there is NO DEFAULT PROCESSING on a BFD kit piece.

Maybe he's talking about the fact that the presets have a lot room and overhead ambiance  in them.  Of course it only take moving 1 or 2 master faders to change that.  The drums themselves can be as dry as you want.

Even if Chuck was referring to those channels he would still be wrong as they are simply channels that relate to the different mic positions in the room and are in no way processed.


Steve

 If I install BFD ECO, are its kits available to Sonar's step sequencer?

or loadable into SD3?

Hi Widetrack
Yes to the first (kind of) and no to the second.
When you have BFD Eco loaded you still need to load the kits in Eco as you would with any of the drum sequencer but as long as the step sequencer is pointing to Eco as it's output it will play whatever kit you have loaded in Eco.
Hope that answers your question.

Steve

Bristol_Jonesey


Charlie, we've had this discussion before, and there is NO DEFAULT PROCESSING on a BFD kit piece.

Kind of reminds me of his other nonsensical comment

 ve used alot of different programs but my favorite still is session drummer,here is why: 
its stripped down so your adding all your own effects,not processed efeects that come with the drum simulator.(like bfd)  and have you ever tried to seperate every drum track out to a seperate track in bfd?  sure it can be done,but someone tell me how easy it is compared to session drummer?  the cost:hello ???  the onlt thing its lacking is a massive sound library.like bfd or addictive.  but then again,im not looking for a huge library,i want a dry drum sound so i can be the one to add the effects to my liking so it doesnt sound like the next guys drum sounds.  its those little things that make your music more original.  sample loop librarys: ??  dont even go there,if your a true musician your writing your own drum parts anyway so who needs them?  i just assume have a drum kit with no loops at all.

He seems to have it in for BFD which would be fine if his comments were valid or made sense I guess 


Steve

Loptec

twaddle

I'm sorry.. I'm just very good at making very bad jokes..
Didn't mean to confuse anyone..
Statement: SD was NOT recorded under my bed!

What I meant was just that; of course both libraries were recorded in awesome studio rooms with the best technicians and gear available.. :)

I'm a big fan of bad jokes. 

I guess my statement was pretty obvious but what I meant by it was that to me BFD2 sounds much bigger and warmer to my ears and that's because of where and how it was recorded.


Steve

I did understand what you meant.
I just don't understand how you can say that the studio room is part of what makes BFD sound much bigger and warmer to your ears, since you don't even know where the drums for SD were recorded..

To be able to compare two things (without guessing) you really need to have all the facts..

..just saying.. 

Ok, having heard both Superior and BFD2 it's very easy for me to say that BFD2 sounds much bigger, louder and warmer to my ears.
I don't need to know any of the facts to tell you that, like you said yourself in another post, "just use your ears" so that's how I arrived at that opinion.

I don't remember where superior drummer was recorded or what equipment was used but I did once watch a youtube video about the making of it (there's also one for BFD2)

I think it's fair to say that the studio and the equipment used is going to play an enormous part in how it eventually sounds. Given that BFD2 sounds bigger and warmer to my ears I simply 
deduced that this must be due in no small part to where it was recorded and what equipment was used. 

I don't see a problem with that?

Steve

The Making Of Superior Drummer 

The Making Of BFD2 

I can even hear a difference in the "making of" videos.

In the video they say that BFD2 was recorded on to an all analogue console, perhaps superior was recorded in to a digital console.  

twaddle

Bristol_Jonesey


Charlie, we've had this discussion before, and there is NO DEFAULT PROCESSING on a BFD kit piece.

Kind of reminds me of his other nonsensical comment

 ve used alot of different programs but my favorite still is session drummer,here is why: 
its stripped down so your adding all your own effects,not processed efeects that come with the drum simulator.(like bfd)  and have you ever tried to seperate every drum track out to a seperate track in bfd?  sure it can be done,but someone tell me how easy it is compared to session drummer?  the cost:hello ???  the onlt thing its lacking is a massive sound library.like bfd or addictive.  but then again,im not looking for a huge library,i want a dry drum sound so i can be the one to add the effects to my liking so it doesnt sound like the next guys drum sounds.  its those little things that make your music more original.  sample loop librarys: ??  dont even go there,if your a true musician your writing your own drum parts anyway so who needs them?  i just assume have a drum kit with no loops at all.

He seems to have it in for BFD which would be fine if his comments were valid or made sense I guess 


Steve

Steve I remember when he was new to the forum and one of the first things he started to complain about was BFD, and boy did he complain!


Now, I'm not saying he didn't have problems, but it was never his fault, the problem was always BFD's or Sonar's and he got off to a really bad start with BFD and it's jaundiced his feelings about it ever since.

Bristol_Jonesey

twaddle

Bristol_Jonesey


Charlie, we've had this discussion before, and there is NO DEFAULT PROCESSING on a BFD kit piece.

Kind of reminds me of his other nonsensical comment

ve used alot of different programs but my favorite still is session drummer,here is why: 
its stripped down so your adding all your own effects,not processed efeects that come with the drum simulator.(like bfd)  and have you ever tried to seperate every drum track out to a seperate track in bfd?  sure it can be done,but someone tell me how easy it is compared to session drummer?  the cost:hello ???  the onlt thing its lacking is a massive sound library.like bfd or addictive.  but then again,im not looking for a huge library,i want a dry drum sound so i can be the one to add the effects to my liking so it doesnt sound like the next guys drum sounds.  its those little things that make your music more original.  sample loop librarys: ??  dont even go there,if your a true musician your writing your own drum parts anyway so who needs them?  i just assume have a drum kit with no loops at all.

He seems to have it in for BFD which would be fine if his comments were valid or made sense I guess 


Steve

Steve I remember when he was new to the forum and one of the first things he started to complain about was BFD, and boy did he complain!


Now, I'm not saying he didn't have problems, but it was never his fault, the problem was always BFD's or Sonar's and he got off to a really bad start with BFD and it's jaundiced his feelings about it ever since.

Well you've almost got me feeling sorry for him now 

On another note (apologies to the OP) I was was having another look at the Dunnet kit and wandering whether to get my wallet out as you've said how taken you were with it.
Does it come with a heap of presets? Not that I use such things of course 

Steve

I have BFD2 on my desktop,but being winter ATM,I have been using my laptop,and I must say I much prefer the sounds and immediate simplicity of Steven Slate 4 Platinum,and due to it only being released since Xmas 2011,I think Slate has packed a lot more sounds[snares etc] that are way more likeable to my ears into a 9GB package than BFD2 has in 50GB.

Now I know BFD2,has an incredible mic/mixer/routing system which in some ways actually seems more high end than X1's console,but,and this is the biggest thing for me,I just don't like any of the actual drum sounds that are included very much-especially the snares[some of the kicks are good],and for 50GB,there actually seems to be less to choose from than SSD's 9GB.

I do realise that the mic'ing/routing tweaking options are incredible with BFD2,but it is 5 years old now,and I'm wondering if,had it been newer,would they have had more snares/kicks to choose from,with a much smaller payload than 50GB?

I have to admit that I've always loved the John Bonham drum sound,and Slate provides some very good,and differring approximations of that sound,so perhaps,as I find THAT so easy to accomplish with SSD,I'll possibly never be fully excited with BFD,that's just been my experience,as I recently re-installed BFD2 on my laptop,but took it off again,as I just coudn't justify 50GB,for something that didn't provide the sound I want.

We'll see what happens,when I start working on my desktop again in a little while,I could eventually get to see the whole program,for what it truly is meant to be,I hope! 
Bob

bobguitkillerleft


I have BFD2 on my desktop,but being winter ATM,I have been using my laptop,and I must say I much prefer the sounds and immediate simplicity of Steven Slate 4 Platinum,and due to it only being released since Xmas 2011,I think Slate has packed a lot more sounds[snares etc] that are way more likeable to my ears into a 9GB package than BFD2 has in 50GB.

Now I know BFD2,has an incredible mic/mixer/routing system which in some ways actually seems more high end than X1's console,but,and this is the biggest thing for me,I just don't like any of the actual drum sounds that are included very much-especially the snares[some of the kicks are good],and for 50GB,there actually seems to be less to choose from than SSD's 9GB.

I do realise that the mic'ing/routing tweaking options are incredible with BFD2,but it is 5 years old now,and I'm wondering if,had it been newer,would they have had more snares/kicks to choose from,with a much smaller payload than 50GB?

I have to admit that I've always loved the John Bonham drum sound,and Slate provides some very good,and differring approximations of that sound,so perhaps,as I find THAT so easy to accomplish with SSD,I'll possibly never be fully excited with BFD,that's just been my experience,as I recently re-installed BFD2 on my laptop,but took it off again,as I just coudn't justify 50GB,for something that didn't provide the sound I want.

We'll see what happens,when I start working on my desktop again in a little while,I could eventually get to see the whole program,for what it truly is meant to be,I hope! 
Bob

The last part of your post about seeing it for what it's meant to be is the most telling Bob

I have to agree after listening to the solo demo's of the kits they are really great sounding kits but I really wouldn't compare either steven slate or addictive drums with BFD2 or Superior because they have a completely different ethos. BFD2 and Superior aren't about pre-processed sounds, they are about creating your own sounds from scratch.  The Steven Slate kits are all very processed but I have to say they are processed in a very good way and have a nice natural feel to them.


The thing with me is, having been in bands and played drums in big rooms and small rooms for over 30 years I really love the sound of natural un-processed drums. 
Naturally people will always have their preference but to my ears nothing comes as close to my experience of that sound as BFD2. It really is like I'm there.
Apart from being a great singer song writer & a great guitarist I absolutely love the drum sound of the white stripes because it is so raw and stripped down which I really like. 


Obviously I have no idea who on this forum has, and who hasn't been in and around real drum kits and real drummers for any period of time. But I am quite certain that what a number of people claim "sounds like real drums" is what they've heard on the records that they like and they have never been, or spent very little time with a real drum kit. 
Nothing wrong with that at all and that's going to have a lot to do with age. 

I've been a youth worker for the last 13 years and I know hundreds of people who have no idea what a real drum kit sounds like or how a ludwig vistalite sounds compared to a yamaha oak kit. 
Lots of them are young musicians who have yet to play in a band or with other musicians so how could they know.

Anyway, to drag this waffle back to the OP's question, he wanted comparisons between BFD2 and Superior so I'm guessing he is aware of the ethos behind each product and he wants raw drum samples that he can mix and produce 
him self from scratch.

Steve

twaddle

Bristol_Jonesey

twaddle

Bristol_Jonesey


Charlie, we've had this discussion before, and there is NO DEFAULT PROCESSING on a BFD kit piece.

Kind of reminds me of his other nonsensical comment

ve used alot of different programs but my favorite still is session drummer,here is why: 
its stripped down so your adding all your own effects,not processed efeects that come with the drum simulator.(like bfd)  and have you ever tried to seperate every drum track out to a seperate track in bfd?  sure it can be done,but someone tell me how easy it is compared to session drummer?  the cost:hello ???  the onlt thing its lacking is a massive sound library.like bfd or addictive.  but then again,im not looking for a huge library,i want a dry drum sound so i can be the one to add the effects to my liking so it doesnt sound like the next guys drum sounds.  its those little things that make your music more original.  sample loop librarys: ??  dont even go there,if your a true musician your writing your own drum parts anyway so who needs them?  i just assume have a drum kit with no loops at all.

He seems to have it in for BFD which would be fine if his comments were valid or made sense I guess 


Steve

Steve I remember when he was new to the forum and one of the first things he started to complain about was BFD, and boy did he complain!


Now, I'm not saying he didn't have problems, but it was never his fault, the problem was always BFD's or Sonar's and he got off to a really bad start with BFD and it's jaundiced his feelings about it ever since.

Well you've almost got me feeling sorry for him now 

On another note (apologies to the OP) I was was having another look at the Dunnet kit and wandering whether to get my wallet out as you've said how taken you were with it.
Does it come with a heap of presets? Not that I use such things of course 

Steve

No idea mate! I never touch the presets, preferring to roll my own from scratch, every time.

This is one reason why my projects take so long