• SONAR
  • Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar. (p.2)
2012/08/16 02:54:10
xabiton
I am not sure if Cubase does or not. Pro Tools I know does not but naming one or two companies that do not when most of the other major daws do is not a real defense. 
2012/08/16 03:21:44
Smedberg
sharke


Frankly I am shocked that they don't! There are thousands of people out there who literally love filing bug reports (myself included). I just don't see what the down side is. 

The change-log size prior to release? ;)
2012/08/16 10:40:44
stevec
I am not sure if Cubase does or not. Pro Tools I know does not but naming one or two companies that do not when most of the other major daws do is not a real defense.

 
I'm very much in the habit of lumping SONAR in with ProTools, Cubase, Logic and DP, more so than Live or Reason (which was traditionally not a DAW).  It's nice to see that some of the others do this, but I wouldn't necessarily consider it an "industry standard practice".  Rather, it seems like something that newer DAW developers do.    Nothing wrong with that though!
 
2012/08/16 11:05:27
daveny5
They do, but you have to qualify for it. I applied once and never heard back from them. The application was not a simple form and so I've never reapplied.

I agree and I had suggested this when X1 was released (to mixed reviews) that Cakewalk should follow what Microsoft did with Windows 7 (and now 8), that is, letting people download a preview copy that allows people to comment on the new release and for them to collect information from crashes, etc. The end result was that Windows 7 was Microsoft's best OS ever. Windows 7 was successful because for once they listened to their customers. What a concept!
2012/08/16 12:54:21
Dave Modisette
With the number of user errors and free 3rd party VST plug-in issues being posted as bugs here, I can understand why they wouldn't want to sift through any more bug reports than they have to.
2012/08/16 13:01:08
Rain
xabiton


stevec



Every other company worth their weight offers free beta testing.


I wasn't aware that other DAW companies did that.


Yep most do. I think Cakewalk and Avid are the only ones that do not. Ableton's 64 bit version is a beta, Propellerhead does betas for every Reason release, Imageline has a beta going (and has for a while) for FL studio for Mac, Studio One had public beta testing and Bitwig is currently doing them too I believe. Its rare to see someone not offer one. 

Logic = nope.
Pro Tools = nope.
Cubase/Nuendo = nope.
Studio One = restricted entries, so it isn't really unlimited free for all.
Bitwig = Same as Studio One.


Others, not sure.


Totally public unlimited beta really are a thing of exception. The main difference between Cakewalk and a few others is that I haven't seen Cake announce that they were looking for Beta Testers at a specific moment. Except for things like Zeta for Mac. 


But you can always send them your application.


2012/08/16 13:36:37
rabeach
Beta testing is a time consuming endeavor. If you have 4 to 8 hours a day to give to cakewalk for several months and are able to articulate what you find in a manner that any engineer can understand what it is you have found I’m fairly sure cakewalk will accept your application as a beta tester if they have not secured the required quota of testers they have allocated for. It is not easy nor is it very much fun. And who has that much time to give for free these days unless you are between jobs or retired..
2012/08/16 14:01:32
bapu

Cakewalk should offer Beta testing for new versions of Sonar.



{tongueInCheek}
That's an amazing observation.


I'm surprised they have not thought of it before you brought it up.
{/tongueInCheek}

I find it odd that you did not realize that they do have Beta Testers. Cakewalk just doesn't have "public betas". And I'm 100% certain the Beta Testers are bound to secrecy as to their identities.






edit: only read the fred title. Sorry.
2012/08/16 14:27:00
Jonbouy
Public beta-tests work.

There's never a shortage of volunteers at least for the ones I've been involved with.  It's kind of cool as well when you report a bug and it gets fixed it makes it feel like you have something invested in the product and somebody cares about your input.  The more worthwhile your input it seems the earlier you get the test versions too.  Companies that adopt a policy of public betas obviously take note of who is contributing positively.

I'm always bound to an NDA and stick by it, but when the product hits the shelves there's no secrets anyway.  It just stops some of the frustrations that early adopters end up having to confront.  I've not come across a downside. 

I don't mind the good people here paying to do it though, I can always jump in if/when I feel the quality is high enough at the appropiate *FREE* bugfix update time.

As for totally open public betas is there even such a thing?  All of them require you to apply and you get called in somewhere down the line, at what point is often dependant on whether you've contributed to one before, that's true of all companies that provide them.  So certainly Studio One and Bitwig do public betas in any known sense of the idea.  Also, whatever product category somebody wants to put Reason in, the bottom line it is one of the most robust software products out of the box at release time there is.  That is the whole point.
2012/08/16 14:48:40
rabeach
Jonbouy


Public beta-tests work.

There's never a shortage of volunteers at least for the ones I've been involved with.  It's kind of cool as well when you report a bug and it gets fixed it makes it feel like you have something invested in the product and somebody cares about your input.  The more worthwhile your input it seems the earlier you get the test versions too.  Companies that adopt a policy of public betas obviously take note of who is contributing positively.

I'm always bound to an NDA and stick by it, but when the product hits the shelves there's no secrets anyway.  It just stops some of the frustrations that early adopters end up having to confront.  I've not come across a downside. 

I don't mind the good people here paying to do it though, I can always jump in if/when I feel the quality is high enough at the appropiate *FREE* bugfix update time.

As for totally open public betas is there even such a thing?  All of them require you to apply and you get called in somewhere down the line, at what point is often dependant on whether you've contributed to one before, that's true of all companies that provide them.  So certainly Studio One and Bitwig do public betas.  Also, whatever product category somebody wants to put Reason in, the bottom line it is one of the most robust software products out of the box at release time there is.  That is the whole point.

Assuming separating the wheat from the chaff becomes more difficult as the number of testers reporting increases my guess would be that the required resources not yet in play at cakewalk to public beta test.
 
edit...I'm assuming we are talking about open and closed beta testing.
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