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2012/08/13 11:13:25
Jimbo 88
Is there something I'm missing...Once I freeze a synth, I no Longer can add anything to the fx bin?  How do people handle this?  Copy the audio to a new track or is there a setting that can allow me to add to the effects bin?
 
Thanks!
2012/08/13 11:17:14
scook
You could unfreeze the track or reroute the track to a bus.
2012/08/13 11:29:22
paulo
Jimbo 88


Is there something I'm missing...Once I freeze a synth, I no Longer can add anything to the fx bin?  How do people handle this?  Copy the audio to a new track or is there a setting that can allow me to add to the effects bin?
 
Thanks!


Depends on why you're wanting to freeze - ie is it the synth or the fx that's munching your cpu ?

I'm using 8.5 , but I would imagine this will till work in x1....

If it's the synth, freeze with fx turned off then when done, unbypass fx bin and they're live again and you can tweak away.

if you freeze with the fx on, then unbypassing the fx bin will add the fx on top of the fx in the frozen track.

or you can drag the frozen audio to a regular audio track and add fx to that one.
2012/08/13 11:43:29
CJaysMusic
When you freeze the synth, you free the whole track as it is at that time. Its frozen in time.
Paulo has it correct as you can un-bypass the effects bin to add effects.
2012/08/13 11:48:20
bladetragic
Go to "Freeze Options" and there is a box that says "Track FX". If you uncheck it then the fx bin will stay active, only freezing the synth so you can still tweak if you so choose.
2012/08/13 12:04:45
Bristol_Jonesey
NO no no.

You have TWO freeze options - 1 allows to freeze JUST the synth and take it out of RAM, leaving your Fx bin, automation etc fully live & tweakable (there are options to bounce Fx & stuff which you want to switch on/off depending on your needs)

2 - you can freeze an entire TRACK along with fx bin etc - this option I have never, ever used, but I freeze synths all the time leaving me with full mixing capability (and the option to quickly unfreeze, make a Midi tweak & re-freeze again)
2012/08/13 12:57:09
Jimbo 88
Got cha!   Thanks guys..


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2012/08/13 12:58:19
Guitarhacker
you can always bounce the track once you have the basic synth correct.... all the notes right and the patch/sample you want....

bounce it to a new track and then since it's audio....drop in all the FX you want.

delete or archive the old synth tracks
2012/08/13 13:56:25
bitflipper
My biggest issue with frozen tracks is you cannot add volume automation because if the track is subsequently unfrozen the automation will be lost. So I routinely bounce soft synths to a separate audio track in a separate folder, where it can then be treated like any normal audio track. I'll typically freeze the synth and then CTL-drag the frozen audio into a new track, archive and hide the original.

Now you're doing a straight all-audio mix. Effects and automation can be freely added, removed and tweaked without restrictions. And your CPU won't break a sweat, no matter how many heavy-duty soft synths you used.

The only downside to this technique is that it's a hassle to go back and edit the original MIDI, so I usually hold off until I'm happy with the MIDI, basic EQ/compression and starting volume levels. I'll also do some MIDI volume automation prior to bouncing, especially for orchestral swells and crescendos.
2012/08/13 15:21:22
AT
Easy.  Just freeze, copy and move the almost finished take to another track.  You can rinse and repeat as many times as necessary, archiving the work you've done so you can go back to any step.

I use this a lot on synths, since I'm old-timey and prefer to work w/ audio.  Also vocals.  I might have 6 or 7 differently effected vocal tracks that I can use.

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