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2012/08/12 02:06:36
teeroy
i just upgraded to cakewalk producer and am trying to learn the v-vocal feature.
i play acoustic guitar and am most curious about using v-vocal to edit individual guitar notes/strings. i have one string in a recent recording that is a little too heavy and would love to tone it down a tad.

i've played around with it and watched some videos but i haven't been able to figure how to use it for the guitar.

thanks very much.

troy 

2012/08/12 02:51:35
SToons
teeroy


i just upgraded to cakewalk producer and am trying to learn the v-vocal feature.
i play acoustic guitar and am most curious about using v-vocal to edit individual guitar notes/strings. i have one string in a recent recording that is a little too heavy and would love to tone it down a tad.

i've played around with it and watched some videos but i haven't been able to figure how to use it for the guitar.

thanks very much.

troy 

I doubt V-vocal will do the job. First of all it is designed for fixing out of tune notes, not for affecting the volume of specific EQ ranges accurately. Secondly it generally only works on monophonic signals (one note only), if more than one note is playing at the same time, like a chord, V-vocal gets confused. V-vocal will change the pitch of a note but not the volume.
 
If I get you right, by heavy you mean one string comes out too loud. Likely the best way to try to fix this is with an equalizer. You need to figure out the frequency range of the "heavy" or boomy notes and the perform a "cut" to lower those frequencies. For example, the A string (fifth string) is a frequency of 110Hz so if you wanted to lower the volume of notes on the A string you might cut the frequencies between 110Hz and 150Hz a little to see what happens.
 
It might also be fixed with a multi-band compressor but those are a little more complicated to operate if you're not familiar with one. Of course "now" is always a good time to start learning :-)
 
You can play with things all you like and as long as you don't save the results it's all non-destructive.
2012/08/12 03:12:31
Bristol_Jonesey
Spot on SToons!

V-V will ONLY work on clean, monophonic audio.
2012/08/12 03:28:25
teeroy
thanks for the redirection, guys.
2012/08/12 11:18:40
Cactus Music
If the guitar has an under the saddle pezio pick up the loudness is caused by uneven pressure on the saddle. This is very common with those PU systems. One needs to listen carefully before purchase.
2012/08/12 14:24:55
Bristol_Jonesey
Johnny brings up a good point - how are you recording your guitar? Via a pickup or are you sticking a mic or 2 in front of it?
2012/08/13 11:30:41
Cactus Music

 
 
 
 
 
Yes Colin, I mentioned this because you can fix the issue by very very carefully fileing the bottom of the saddle.

This is why I love LR BAggs saddle PU as they won't have this issue

2012/08/13 11:36:28
Cactus Music



This is the type that are almost always unbalanced from string to string



2012/08/13 18:19:08
PGShadow
V-V will adjust volume. Switch setting to Dynamics, find the offending note,high lite, and drag the up/down arrows on the screen down. You'll see the wave form in the clip shrink.
 
2012/08/14 04:32:32
Bristol_Jonesey
V Vocal will only work on monophonic signals, not poly, so I think this option is ruled out.
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