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  • does anybody else get a creative block when trying to sequence electronic drums in sonar? (p.2)
2012/08/10 21:07:52
Linear Phase
Workaround for this one? Yeah.. Practice... I agree with Beepster.. "can't blame Sonar for this."
2012/08/10 21:15:48
Beepster
I think you should describe exactly what you are trying to do and then where you are running into problems. Linear Phase seems to have a good handle on stuff like this as do a lot of other sample heavy Sonar users. Details and I think you'll get some good advice to remedy your issues. Should be easy, bro.... with a little elbow grease and learning at the onset that is.
2012/08/10 21:16:53
elijahlucian
beepster. my computer is a beast :P no worries there.  I have talked to both companies and they are not being helpful at all. they say "it's their fault" (talking about other company)

 I find creating the beats in FL and then importing into sonar a huge pain. also there is no creative flow there. also you can record audio in fl studio just the same as you can in sonar. but there is one huge difference. the file type you get out of fl. if i record a mono 24 bit source, fl studio automatically records a 32-bit stereo file. so it wastes over double the space that should be using. 

I had a FL jam session last week with a rapper, we ended up recording 1gb of audio in ONE NIGHT! holy crap eh?  I'm actually an alpha tester for IL and i've discussed this at length with the lead developer and he says there is nothing he can do about it. (tho in a more douche-y way)

 linear. I have been using sonar for about 3 years now... video is rendering
2012/08/10 21:22:13
elijahlucian
2012/08/10 21:32:13
Beepster
I hate to say it but I think you might just want to bail on FL. Check out Ableton. That seems to be where it's at these days. But again I am a rock dinosaur so I've never actually used the two in conjunction. I will say though anytime I've tried to use any version of FL I've found it completely confusing and unusable. With my limited experience with the Step Sequencer and PRV within Sonar I've found they are pretty darned decent with the right plugs and even with the included content to a certain extent. To me it sounds like you need to just get a new workflow going and you'll be able to soar again. Cheers.
2012/08/10 21:35:02
elijahlucian
yeah. tried ableton. it is the most backwards program in the world in my opinion. hahaha. maybe ill just do a feature request to CW
2012/08/10 21:44:46
Beepster
Okay I just watched your vid. Yes indeed you need to save a preset to route your instance of SD3 That will save a ton of time. Check out the Sonar University Master Class Drum Production tutorials and it will show you that process and how to save it. Seth is using an older version of Sonar in those vids though so if you can't find something he's doing look at the bottom of the video and the text will tell you where to find it. Apparently those presets are actually already included in X1 but it's worthwhile to learn. The only other thing I see holding you up is your audition of single hits. Setting up auditions for samples and loops and stuff is explained in the tutorials that came with X1 (click F1 or look in your Cakewalk folder in the start menu for the help topics). I however have only used it for loops so maybe it's different for one shots but I doubt it. Check it out. At that point with those two issues resolved you could probably just bail on FL completely and use SD3. I may have missed another hold up in your work flow but those two issues seemed to be your major complaints and they are easily resolved. You may also want to take a look at some of the books available on Sonar like Sonar X1 power for more tricks and insights. Cheers.
2012/08/10 21:48:53
tomixornot
2012/08/10 22:37:46
skylightron
I would also add Tremor which is an analogue-modelled drum synthesis plugin also by Fxpansion. Now is also a good time to pick up Maschine or its little brother the Mikro. A new expansion pack was just released which is geared towards analog sounds. http://www.native-instrum...0e55716656b6f642bcbe5d
2012/08/10 22:56:17
SToons
elijahlucian


  and by electronic i simply mean like this synth-pop era type drums... None of the kits in dimension or superior are useable for dance/pop so you end up having to use the clumsy browser to try and preview and import samples... I just end up making a placeholder beat and then making drums in another program. kind of pisses me off tbh.
 
Use any VSTi sampler. Many support 128 notes therefore you can assign 128 different samples, one to each key of the (virtual) keyboard, and save as a patch/program. Open the PRV and click on any key and you instantly hear the sample; in fact many sampler VSTi's have a virtual keyboard for auditioning (eg. Dropzone). Now you have 128 drum sounds in one kit. Doesn't get much easier than that and if you know the sampler it can done very quickly, like in under a minute, and once it's done can be recalled in seconds. It may take longer if you're compiling favorite samples from multiple directories but it's a one time job and the browser/audition features in many VSTi's are superior to Media Browser. It's easy to set up multiple patches with 128 samples or more in each one in a single sampler like Kontakt - you could have 128 samples per MIDI channel (not including layers) - multiply by 16 MIDI channels and you have a minimum of 2,048 samples a click or two away. Some samplers, like Battery, will Import an entire directory of samples and automatically place a sample on each note (key). I could give you lots of tips on how to expand on this but this is a good place to start. Dimension and Superior are simply sampler/sample players after all.
 
Dropzone would give you an example, open it up and load one of the drum programs. I wouldn't use Dropzone in the long run as it is limited to the SFZ format for editing.
 
I should add that a sampler will allow both single hits and loops and will usually have a variety of methods of manipulatiing loops.
 
There are also some great VSTi's, like Reaktor, Z3ta etc. that produce modern drum sounds themselves.
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