I'm trialing X1 and figure if I can learn the very basics in 30 days and it all looks good, I'll buy it. So far it's not looking good. 

Here I am just trying to add a simple note on the PRV. In the first image, you can see that what I have already ends with a four note chord. Observe the length of the notes:




Now what I'm going to do is to add a single note three eighth notes short of the next bar. To my eternal annoyance, the 4 notes of that chord are automatically lengthened by a seemingly arbitrary amount: 



Can someone please explain what is going on here? I cannot think of any circumstances, in which I would require the insertion of a simple note to result in the automatic lengthening of the notes that went before it. What I also found is that this only happens if I insert the note before the next bar...anything past that, and the chord notes stay as they were. For the life of me I cannot work out why this is happening and I can't find anything in the documentation. Trying to keep my cool, and I've liked a lot about Sonar so far, but it's little behaviors like this which are making me seriously reconsider switching. Am I being completely stupid here and missing something obvious? Why are those notes changing? 

Hi Sharke,

I can certainly understand your annoyance there. I can honestly say that, in all my years of using the piano roll, I have never seen notes lengthening like that.

They appear to have almost, to within around 1/32nd of a note, edged up to the new note that you inserted.

Unfortunately, I am in work now, and I therefore cannot get on to X1 to see if I can replicate the problem, and it is more than likely that someone else will have solved your problem in the meantime.

For now, though, could you please check, and list all of your settings that you are using in the PRV. Settings such as Snap, which tools you have been using, anything you think you may have done up to the point of placing that single new note.

And were the four preceding notes selected at all?

How did you input all of the other notes up to this point? Manually, or with a MIDI keyboard?


Please hang on in there, and I, or someone else, will do their best to help.

regards

andy

Thanks synkrotron. 

I was using the smart tool in the PRV, although I did try it with the draw tool as well and got the same results. Note duration is set at 1/8th notes. Snap settings are at snap to, magnetic off.

The notes up until that point had been inserted with a MIDI keyboard in real time. None of the preceding notes were selected when I inserted the new note. 

It does not matter which vertical position I put the new note - as long as it's anywhere in the next bar from the chord, the chord notes stretch up to meet it. 

A new discovery: if I ctrl+alt+right click any of the chord notes to bring up their note properties, they are extended to the same place, and they retract back as soon as I close the note properties window. 

sharke


A new discovery: if I ctrl+alt+right click any of the chord notes to bring up their note properties, they are extended to the same place, and they retract back as soon as I close the note properties window. 

LOL, that IS weird...


If you close, and then re-open the project, does anything "revert" back to what it should be then? I'm just wondering if it is a single glitch, or whether it always happens, regardless of how many times you close, and then open Sonar.


Thanks for the other info. I'll have a play tonight sometime and et back with my findings. I'm not hopeful though... as I said, I've never seen this kind of behaviour in PRV before.

Problem recurs when I close and open Sonar again. 

Also, if I just select one of the notes with the smart tool, it shows its extended length for as long as I hold the button down. It's as if the notes have a "hidden part" which is revealed when I either select it, or add another note in the next bar. 

Oh well, It's 3am and I'm going to sleep on it....

sharke


Oh well, It's 3am and I'm going to sleep on it....

A very good idea. Hopefully, by the time you get up, I will have had a chance to have a look at it.


laters



edit : Just a thought... if you can replicate this easily, could you create a small project, just using some standard soft synths that come with X1, and send the file to me. If you're up for this, later, let me know and I will PM my e-mail address.

cheers

OK  I've slept on it (for 5 minutes). I think I'm almost understanding what's going on. When I first recorded this little 4 bar loop, the notes of the last chord extended into the 5th bar. So instead of trimming the notes down to size, I trimmed the clip down to size. To get to the piano roll, I double clicked on the clip. So obviously it's showing note durations up to the point at which the clip ends, when really, those notes extend a little further. 

So I guess when I add that extra note, it "untrims" the clip to take it in...thereby revealing the hidden part of the chord. 

Sorry, Cakewalk! I've been a dumbass.  And thanks again synkrotron. 

sharke


And thanks again synkrotron.  

LOL, no probs sharke, I'm just glad you sussed it... I'd have taken hours wondering what on earth was going on.

Hey Sharke,

Welcome to the Cakewalk forums.

I call it the 99% rule. Because 99% of the time I have a problem with X1, it's turns out to be operator error, i.e. My dumbass.

So welcome to the club.

And X1 is great, I would recommend buying the great deal they have now. Check out groove3.com for some great X1 vids.

Yeah well I'm the same with virtually every software I learn...the first sign of unexpected behavior, I'm screaming at my monitor ("How can this be...Who's idea was THAT...What POSSIBLE reason could there be for....how am I supposed to....you spend $400 on software and THIS is what you...is that their idea of logic....that's it, I'm never using this POS again...") and then I realize what I'm doing wrong and everything's sweetness and roses and everyone's forgiven. You should have seen me trying to learn Illustrator...

Anyway I think I'll buy it, I was about done with bloated Pro Tools and its temperamental instability. So far it seems like it's 100x easier to get the sound I want with Sonar. I'm probably going to buy X1 Producer with the promise of having it upgraded to X2 for free (if what I read in the X2 thread was right).